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Price of Tea In China After long day today in the library finish doing the research my friends and I decide why not go to Faculty Club to getting the complimentary hors d'oeuvres and sit back and just gossip. So we going there and get the table and just relaxing and enjoying the chat about everything. USA used to be the great industrial power but is losing jobs to China so is much unemployment in USA now. One my friends start discussing the economic impact of the transformation of China economy from rural to urban and farm workers to factory workers.  Did you know are more factory workers in China then peoples in the USA and they all competing for almost same job so many are willing to work for about 25 cents an hour. That is why there is major loss of jobs for workers in Michigan and maybe why they voting for Romney tonight over McCain cause they thinking that maybe he can somehow create jobs to compete with China. However, I asking why compete with China over old jobs that go to China when is costing too much to doing here in the USA. Why I want to pay more for maybe a nice quality furniture make in China then one made in North Carolina? I say why not finding something new or doing something cause China since losing all the farm workers to city factories then who is going to feed the Chinese people cause rice don’t grow on trees and all other crops is not automated so why not trying find way to enter China food market to feed the Chinese. USA more productive farm producer then any country in the world but that is not going to make replacement jobs for factory workers unless there is major transformation of factory workers to farm workers since that would be opposite of what is going on in China. And is even worse, lots of Chinese coming to USA to get the best education in the world and they sticking around here and getting the best jobs cause American education system teaches to the dumbest level instead of to the smartest level so is not producing enough home grown science and math teachers. However, China is losing farm workers so is soon not going to be able to feeding its factory workers. In the USA peoples complaining too much about illegal workers taking jobs that Americans want to do but the farmers saying no one working in the fields as cheap as the illegals are doing. So how you going to make the city boy want to be a farm boy when there are no jobs in the city and no workers in the field? Then somebody asking, “Hey Vicky, what that has to do with price of tea in China, girl?” “Everything,” I reply. Later I am wondering why every time I saying something no one understanding they asking me about price of tea in China. |
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1/24/2008 11:38 pm |
I wasn't even going to read this article of yours since I felt forced, but then thought i'd be ignorant and stubborn not to. So here are my thoughts about your article: 1) Cost is a factor in the loss of jobs in the auto industry in Michigan, however I think another and bigger reason is that the big three has been coming out with models that doesn't appeal strongly to the current market. For the last decade they have been focused on SUV's and gas guzzlers and when gas price started going up, sales started to fizzle. If cost of employment was the sole issue, then how do you explain the success of BMW? I'm pretty sure the cost of employment is higher there. I would have to say the failure of vision and quality is the main reason for their current troubles. 2) You're right that America can't compete in the manufacturing sector in general. Even Apple products are labeled "Designed in California" but made in China. I think in general America has been getting out of the manufacturing sector and more into the services sector. So that is happening naturally at the moment. I think every american realizes this, but politicians are only saying that for political play. Economics is an interaction or exchange between two (or more) entities, where each entity attempts to optimize a certain variable by choosing its actions towards the other entity in such a way that it could expect a maximum gain, depending on the other's response. One traditionally distinguishes two types of games. Zero-sum economics where the amount of resources is fixed. Whatever is gained by one entity, is therefore lost by the other entity: the sum of gained (positive) and lost (negative) is zero. This corresponds to a situation of pure competition. Chess, for example, is a zero-sum game: it is impossible for both players to win (or to lose). Monopoly (if it is not played with the intention of having just one winner) on the other hand, is a non-zero-sum game: all participants can win property from the "bank". In principle, in monopoly, two players could reach an agreement and help each other in gathering a maximum amount from the bank. That is not really the intention of the game, but in non-zero-sum games the total amount gained is variable, and so both players may win (or lose). When they can both win by cooperating in some way, we might say that their cooperation creates a synergy. Unfortunately, the US is losing in the manufacturing field and will never again be able to compete as a world center of trade in that field. VICKY
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1/17/2008 12:07 pm |
That is so true. YOu know example is in the USA. Before can get a cup of coffee for only 25 cents and is not really bad coffee and peoples just pay for it and not thinking too much. Then it go to fifty cents but no one cares at all. But price of gas is going up to and everybody worry about the price of gas. Now everybody going to the Starbucks paying $5 for a cup of coffee or maybe $9 if they have all the specials added to it but they not care at all. But now gas is over $3 a gallon and everybody complaining. But you know one gallon of coffee is costing over $100 and no one minding at all. So is where you putting the priority, right? So if tea gonna up in price in China then what is poor man gonna drink? Just hot water? Maybe not bad idea cause that is all tea and coffee really is just flavor add to hot water.
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1/17/2008 12:02 pm |
I wondering why no one cares about the price of tea in china cause soon the common man cannot have that to drink, only bitter roots.
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1/17/2008 12:01 pm |
I think the big problem with China and the movement of the rural population to the larger industtrial centers is that there is now work for them in the fields that pays the same as the wages in the city. In the old days under a collective farm system and a centralized planning economy all the workers were paid the same with a bonus for some workers for the skill or the danger of the work. Now with the free system there is less subsidy for the farm workers and there is more money to be made in the industrial areas but that is a problem because before the explosion in the manufacture side there were few industrial workers with skills so that is why the pay is high but now there are too many workers so the pay is gonna dropping down and then all of suddden there is no working for them in the cities. In the meantime then there are fewer workers in the field for the crops so who is gonna plan the rice or the wheat or all the others things we like to eating? There is no next generation of farm workers cause every one gone to the city to working.
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1/16/2008 5:47 pm |
You are soooooo funny,but veryyyyyyyy smart!Did I mention cute too?
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1/16/2008 2:38 pm |
However, I asking why compete with China over old jobs that go to China when is costing too much to doing here in the USA. Why I want to pay more for maybe a nice quality furniture make in China then one made in North Carolina? I say why not finding something new or doing something cause China since losing all the farm workers to city factories then who is going to feed the Chinese people cause rice don’t grow on trees and all other crops is not automated so why not trying find way to enter China food market to feed the Chinese. USA more productive farm producer then any country in the world but that is not going to make replacement jobs for factory workers unless there is major transformation of factory workers to farm workers since that would be opposite of what is going on in China. And is even worse, lots of Chinese coming to USA to get the best education in the world and they sticking around here and getting the best jobs cause American education system teaches to the dumbest level instead of to the smartest level so is not producing enough home grown science and math teachers. However, China is losing farm workers so is soon not going to be able to feeding its factory workers. In the USA peoples complaining too much about illegal workers taking jobs that Americans want to do but the farmers saying no one working in the fields as cheap as the illegals are doing. So how you going to make the city boy want to be a farm boy when there are no jobs in the city and no workers in the field? Then somebody asking, “Hey Vicky, what that has to do with price of tea in China, girl?” “Everything,” I reply. great dialog.. and many factors that trace things that are difficult challenges.. America had the model of the Farm boy going to the city to do well.. and the farm boy got to the city and then sold off the farm..which had supported him getting to the city.. then the city had nothing left to sell... as it's factories had nothing to process, because the farms no longer produced anything.. and the farmland had been deserted.. now with the 2% of the population farming, where 98% want nothing to do with a farm.. unless, they can't find it in the supermarket...then they complain about the factory natured farms.. not getting their good to the reach of a outstretched hand. the model is flawed.. and china is folowihng that model only they are turning their farm land into factories.. and as Victorylee said, they are not producing food.. but the American model has become too elite on the common level, and the farming now is with migrant workers.. and people are battling each other to work in the convenience stores and other retail outlets.. and none of it can pay what it takes to maintain a home.. and thus it become nothing more than two people working 4 jobs to maintain a place to sleep and the illusion of having a relationship... both too tired to communicate and too stressed out to relate.. and the demise of a standard and imaged model of family is left only for the wealthy to manage the simulation... of such.. and they trade partners like they are changing commodities on the stock exchange.. but what may come to be.. is that Central Americas, Spanish speaking regions, become the farming capital of the world .. and thus the reliance on them for food... may become the model for both China and the US. and not only will the Tea in China find parts of it's industry a mere memory.. they may find the price beyond the nature of concept to purchase. but look around.. in the US.. it's hard enough to get kids to feed the pet dog.. now how can you imagine that they'd be turned to go feed the pigs and give the cows some hay.. and as for food.. if it's not prepackaged and microwave ready..they don't want it or served up at a fast food place.. so how can they be groomed to go out and pick the corn or dig up the potatoes.. all they know is french fries come in a bag and McDonalds' cooks them.. Now regarding the price of Tea in china.. will affect the British who like their tea time... to a great degree... are people paying attention... coffee use to be 10 cent a cup.. go to Starbucks and see if that 10cent will ever cover the tax on two cups of coffee.. and the answer is probably no, it won't.
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1/16/2008 7:43 am |
everything in china matter .. but the industrial boom that china is experiencing is part the element of the US trying to get the cheapest price for everything... look on any package you buy.. The american model failed to pay attention.. and failed badly.. they exported jobs before they trained people and started new business.. the greed factor set in.. and they moved faster than they maybe should have and now China is the producer, and Japan is the new innovators in tech.. Here we have a country that live and died by the automobile.. it was connceted to everything, but what did this country do.. it shipped it to the overseas markets without trying to figure out how to transition to a new gendre of transportation.. the big oil companies and th re tooling cost is what the US feared and they did not move to the alternative models of powering vehicles.. now it's trying to play catch up.. with a under-trained society..the Aerospace was equally so the same.. it is a stated fact that China is taking over it's farmland to convert to manufacturing.. and if nations are smart they will know the base element will become food.. and not only that China does not have environmental controls to the level it needs them so they have much waste that is going to be a contaminate factor over time , even further reducing their ability to produce food.. this country had the knowledge before to build auto with more effeciency.. but it's stuck in a backwards trend.. the more the fuel went up the bigger the vehicles became.. who the hell needs a "hummer".. and all the over sized SUV, which are more status symbol than functional.. most of them you can't take them off road without the bottom suspension nearly falling apart.. it's all imagery and excess.. look under some of the vehicles there are parts that hang so low it cannot even drive over a curb or if an object is in the street it may just rip the rear end out of it.. The many people of china who work for next to nothing.. many hours a day.. but what will happen is the power brokers will hit these shores of the USA and they will buy up the property that Americans let fall and they will invest but only where they can hold their own ownership.. not unlike the Japenase .. who build their auto factories here but it's still a Japan owned company and now the auto factories of Japan are performing better than the US.. here's the madness of the US lack of foresight.. they allowed the foreign player to build auto, with lower wages structure and the cities that needed the industry desperately gave many concession to get it.. and now the nature of thinking they could force the US plants to reduce their wages.. did not work.. and now the Japanese plants are the high performers.. but china is just one part of the picture.. the tech boom now is in India, and tiny Taiwan is making headways into the tech arena with improved developments.. but the act and fact of India has not even began to show it's impacting stance and it will come.. As for education.. when I was in Thailand.. what I noticed was they seem to thirst to go to school.. ad they do so smartly attired for school .. here.. they have them coming as if it's a fashion show and a hoodlum hang out.. and kids coming out of school that can barely cout change.. New world order, is more than a concept it's a reality, and this country knew it back in the area of Nixon.. and they were fully aware of it in the time of Reagan and GB1st, said it in direct terms.. and instead of moving ahead with re education of the people.. we went backwards.. There was no plan to transistion the Aerospace workers who no longer were employed in that area.. they did not have anything in place to move these people to to expand on their engineering excellence.. and we started producing more lawyers than anything else.. and we became more of a litigant society.. looking for a hustle, and the corporate elite saw only mass profits from cut back labor cost and we no longer develop product the world wants to buy.. Tell me why would a business in China seek to buy a product from the US, when that product was made with most of it's internal parts produced in china.. they just as well buy one that was too, assembled in China. but China has it's problems and many of them..they squash much in the media but reason and reality tells of what those problems are.. and it's "inequity".. and lack of people regard elements in their corporate models.. the people are pushed up against the wall, with the threat of realism that there are 100 more outside the door looking for the job the one inside the door has, and will work for a penny less. and a hour longer. this creates a stress factor.. as people forget the most important element is .. at the bottom of the spectrum is " people".. the disparity of the wealthy and the poor, a nation building masses of products for the world of which many of their own people can't afford to have, land grabs for more factories and factory owners making millions on millions by the hour while the people get pennies by the days.. some provinces that have liberal modes and some provinces they still have 1950's style pressures and nothing but hardships.. but they see the highrises in the distance... yep.. it's a recipe for conflict.. Chinese are very competetive people. be it becase of nature or because of circumstance.. but one factor is sure.. when there are that many people competing for everything.. it's a daily challenge in any arena that is engaged..by the individuals. they have far less time to BS, and they have mor incentive in their face daily of why they must succeed and educate their young.. they have been in this mass conglomeration of high population for many years and it has instilled in them the drive to achieve and they have also adopted many methods of process that may not be without cheating if needed or corruptions.. and it's not unreal that such exist when the mass are so great... and one has then to learn to negotiate .. and be aware of much more than just the object they negotiate for. The price of Tea in China.. is high.. and it may lead to the China Tea Party that may make little the Boston Tea party.. in it's comparison.
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