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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F
3081 posts
2/5/2008 1:32 am
Please Vote


Today, in America, a right that many in the world wish they could have will be ignored my many.

It really does not matter to me if you vote or don't vote but what gets me upset are those who don't take the time to get to their polling place and then later complain about the kind of government or the politicians who have been elected to office.

I am an Independent voter and I am not going to reveal the choices I will make when I am in the voting booth. But I do know that even though I can only cast one vote, that one vote could make a difference in the outcome. Just take a look at the 2004 and 2000 Presidential elections.

God Bless America

VICKY

cauchemar49 83M

2/26/2008 5:39 pm

well vicky you can do worse than Alfie. We are so far apart in age that it is difficult to relate. That happens you know. But what a world lies in between. Hope you enjoyed your trip to Vancouver.


cauchemar49 83M

2/18/2008 9:59 pm

I find this political stuff very boring. Yaaaaaawn! The whole world is not really that interested in what happens in California, believe it or not. Now if Arnold was to make another movie, that would be interesting.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/7/2008 8:52 pm

    Quoting cauchemar49:
    Hi Vicky, I see you popped by to view my profile. My apologies for wasting your time. It is all garbage simply created to satisfy Asia Friendfinder when changing identity. So you know nothing more about me. You'll have to ask Nan.
Does it really matter?

Nan will probably tell me,


What's it all about, Vicky?
Is it just for the moment we live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, Vicky?
Are we meant to take more than we give
Or are we meant to be kind?
And if only fools are kind, Vicky,
Then I guess it's wise to be cruel.
And if life belongs only to the strong, Vicky,
What will you lend on an old golden rule?
As sure as I believe there's a heaven above, Vicky,
I know there's something much more,
Something even non-believers can believe in.
I believe in love, Vicky.
Without true love we just exist, Vicky.
Until you find the love you've missed you're nothing, Vicky.
When you walk let your heart lead the way
And you'll find love any day, Vicky, Vicky


"Alfie" (Cilla Black 1966, Cher 1966, Dionne Warwick 1967, originally from the movie of the same name). This song was nominated for the Academy Award for Original Song in 1966, and won Bacharach a Grammy for instrumental arrangement in 1967.


cauchemar49 83M

2/7/2008 3:23 pm

Hi Vicky, I see you popped by to view my profile. My apologies for wasting your time. It is all garbage simply created to satisfy Asia Friendfinder when changing identity. So you know nothing more about me. You'll have to ask Nan.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/6/2008 10:19 am

    Quoting npr168:
    Vicky, Since you're an independent voter, is it true that Mad Max was one of the choices for president? I heard it from CNN.
You know eightyears ago a lot of people wrote in "GOOFY" and he got elected ans has served as President for the last eight years. So be careful who you vote for.

I didn't waste my vote, I chose a person I though should have a chance to run for President, but not necessarily the person I would vote for in November.

vicky


cauchemar49 83M

2/6/2008 9:23 am

Canada as you may know has an unlimited party system, the serious contenders boiling down to the Conservative Part (Republicans) The Liberal Party (Democrats) and the N.D.P (Socialist) parties.

Besides them we have other parties that participate in elections ranging from the Green Party (Environmental) the Communists, and even the Trotskyites. So we are a fully open system of parties when elections come around. We leave the choice to the voters. Yet in pragmatic sense we are essentially a three party system.

Your locked in system of two parties would be anathema to us. With a three party system alliances have have to take into the account, the NDP as a balance.


cauchemar49 83M

2/6/2008 9:01 am

Oh my, my, Vicky. You can't be serious in your recommendation! In English, English as you may know, the use of the word bugger is neutral and far from it's original and precise meaning. Simply meaning now, "Don't take the following into serious consideration." or, "Dismiss the following".

I think your interpretation of the word from an American language perspective would cause Nan serious discomfort, both mentally and physically! My comment to you was meant as a compliment. If you have it use it. As a very young woman you are definitely on the prowl and using the tools provided by nature to serve your ends. Only a fool would not, and with a mind to match, it is a very dangerous combination. You will make minced meat of the callow youths that inhabit your age frame. God help them.


Ignimbrite
(Marco Brenna)
46M
602 posts
2/6/2008 1:23 am

I don't agree with two party systems such as in US or Australia... ...you have choice, but actually you have no choice...

...do I have the right to complain in that case?

the flying squirrel strikes back


kapp5 56M
2 posts
2/5/2008 5:15 pm

Are you tired of a two party sytem. Can a viable independent party emerge with political clout and a serious cadidate ? Is the country ready to elect someone who will splinter the two party system. Will major media outlets allow unfiltered ideas and candidates adequate air time to reach the voting public. Questions to ponder this political season.


pickledpigspheet 53M
104 posts
2/5/2008 3:21 pm

Touch,

I'm voting "yes" on 94, 95, 96 and 97 because I want the money to stay in California. Most of the gamblers in Vegas and Reno are from California, and whatever money they spend there will stay in Nevada. I don't care how much is set aside for the state from revenue earned, but I dread to see one cent going to casinos across the border when it could have been spent at home.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/5/2008 2:41 pm

    Quoting cauchemar49:
    Bugger the vote , bugger the franchise, bugger the choices, bugger the politics. What I am interested in is the cleavage displayed in your new photograph. Madame you are provocative in the extreme sense of the word. With that outfit and in that pose don't you find your knickers get into a twist? I never mistake a predator on the prowl, and good luck to you. You certainly have the tools to use.
Hope you have a good time bugger the NAN

VICKY


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/5/2008 2:39 pm

    Quoting pickledpigspheet:
    I'm registered Non-Partisan; I checked my sample ballot several times, and I can't find the checkboxes or choices for the Dem nominee. I will ask the Polling Station Inspector.

    As for Prop 93 on term limits, it's a convoluted, confusing proposition. I'm against it as whoever the author is, he/she uses sleight of tongue or penmanship to play tricks on us. If you read it properly, it's not for term limits but for term extension. Instead of a maximum 6-year term (two 3-year terms) in the State Assembly and 8-year term (two 4-year terms) in the State Senate, the prop calls for a maximum of 12 years in the State Assembly and 12 years in the State Senate, making a total of 24 years, not 12 combined years for both. The language is misleading as it seems to say 12 years in "both houses". But if you are very discerning with political-savvy writing, which is meant to mislead, it actually means 12 years each for both. I'm voting "no" on Prop 93.
Yeah, I looked at 93 and the same guys in office who were gonna be termed out are gonna stay around for a few more years. If the prop had stated that it would not apply to those already in office I would have supported it.

But I can't see having career politicians telling me what I can and can't do. I think they have a new prop coming out that says that budge will be decided in even years and legislative items in odd years and limits the amount of bills they are allowed to introduce.

Vicky


cauchemar49 83M

2/5/2008 2:27 pm

Bugger the vote , bugger the franchise, bugger the choices, bugger the politics. What I am interested in is the cleavage displayed in your new photograph. Madame you are provocative in the extreme sense of the word. With that outfit and in that pose don't you find your knickers get into a twist? I never mistake a predator on the prowl, and good luck to you. You certainly have the tools to use.


fedders
(ANDREWS M.S.)
66M
1196 posts
2/5/2008 2:07 pm

So far, there are three portagonist left Obama, Hillary, and on the Republican side it's John Mccain...

May God guide you all on your choices!


fedders
(ANDREWS M.S.)
66M
1196 posts
2/5/2008 2:03 pm

So far, you've got three choices Obama, Hilary, and John Mccain on the other side...

May God guide you on your chice!


touch213 69M

2/5/2008 12:13 pm

pickledpigspheet.. these proposition especially. prop 94-97 I question.. the state had no concern for the Indians prior to their step to progress thru the gaming avenues.. Now they are making money by their gaming, and the development that is around the areas of their gaming, which was and is their so called RESERVATION land.. so if they were put on it as a reservation, and neglected all these years.. then leave it alone at this point and time.. in all the prior years, all the Indians got was substandard anything, and a lot of political flap about their diminished nature of provisions. Now they have collectively built something, the State wants a cut.. if anything, they may consider to put a moratorium in place that says for the next 10 years they are exempt as they were before.. and at the point of 10 years then, they can join in the tax participation of the state... if they do anything before they have that amount to time to secure their stand and position and investment.. all that will happen is the VEGAS money monsters will come and move them right out and take over the business they created. this greed march of the state has not allowed the Indians to even complete one generation's transformation into what they have built. first they need to get one generation of higher education and political know how among their people "one their reservation land".. before they try and fuse it back into a system that will gobble them up... they need to look back in time, to see what they are dealing with.. and they can then understand more the need to not yield .. until they can fully stand.. and get their numbers up and partner with other groups for a base of political power ...

the Gov... of California sits on his wealth and tries to grab all he can and break down anything that exist which helps people or people can help themselves. That's why his wife did not stand with him on the republican backing and she took and made her stand public for the Democratic party.. California has lost so much over the last 20 yrs with inept governors.. who let regulations run companies out of the state, they absolutely ran the aerospace out of California.. and now the agriculture is in trouble because of it's immigration issues... it's a great state for progressive things, but there is such a thing as trying to move to fast.. when you have to move so much and so many.. that's why the state has it's demographically natured problems.. it is trying to operate with so many severely underfunded program that are long term program that have been cut and whacked until they are merely shell that are inept at addressing it's problems.. and what they have is ever widening ghettos.. in and around every major city in the state. but for some reason the people in the state can't seem to get away from Hollywood politics.. form image masters... who are skilled in illusions. but the state did the same thing the nation did, and that re elect the one that is damaging the state as a whole.. it's such a shame because the beauty of what the state was in the 50-60 and even part of the 70's has been into a cycle of expanding hell holes of collapsing communities.. and desert escapes that has cost the state and the people more in fuel consumption and industrial losses.. they let neighborhoods that was functioning fall into dis-array.. and decay and the lack of building schools and making the community colleges a part of the basic school progress system.. at one time they were in a great position to make community colleges be a basic in providing a uniform 14 yr education to all 12 year graduates. now .. it's a state people are tying to escape from by any means and as quick as they hear of anything remotely functional in another state.

I set up the frame work for a LLC I wanted to start, which was a home enhancement business, I had a great team and did good work and worked with people who could tap their home improvment loans of 12.5K and such things for improvements in property value and community image.. but the requirements killed that, on top of the mandatory $800 that is required yearly just to exist. I just let the LLC dissolve, I have set up one here in Louisiana, although I've not made it functional, but it only cost me 60$ a year for it to exist.. and I can pay that even if it takes me 5 years to do anything with it, yes, this state has other crazy things and rip natured cost.. but they are far less than California.

sorry about the rant... but all who can vote please do vote. more power to Vicky for being with political interest. and more power to you PPP for being a caring and considerate citizen who likes to be informed and doing so by and thru you own efforts to read the propositions. which there were more people with the interest you two show..


pickledpigspheet 53M
104 posts
2/5/2008 12:06 pm

    Quoting victorylee0516:
    In California, an Independent is permitted to vote in the Democrat ballot but not the Republican.

    I wish they had Donald Duck or Goofy on the ballot to vote for. But I'll choose the best or the worst when I am in the voting booth.

    I would love to hear your position on term limits later.

    VICKY
I'm registered Non-Partisan; I checked my sample ballot several times, and I can't find the checkboxes or choices for the Dem nominee. I will ask the Polling Station Inspector.

As for Prop 93 on term limits, it's a convoluted, confusing proposition. I'm against it as whoever the author is, he/she uses sleight of tongue or penmanship to play tricks on us. If you read it properly, it's not for term limits but for term extension. Instead of a maximum 6-year term (two 3-year terms) in the State Assembly and 8-year term (two 4-year terms) in the State Senate, the prop calls for a maximum of 12 years in the State Assembly and 12 years in the State Senate, making a total of 24 years, not 12 combined years for both. The language is misleading as it seems to say 12 years in "both houses". But if you are very discerning with political-savvy writing, which is meant to mislead, it actually means 12 years each for both. I'm voting "no" on Prop 93.


touch213 69M

2/5/2008 10:47 am

life is "a take a stand for something" .. or complain about nothing..


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/5/2008 10:43 am

    Quoting pickledpigspheet:
    If you are a non-partisan voter, your ballot does not allow you to vote either as a democrat or a republican for a presidential candidate. You are only allowed to vote on local measures, if any, propositions 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96 and 97. Moreover, there is an American Independent Party in California, and many "independent" voters are confused between the Independent Party and being Non-Partisan. To be truly independent of any party, you need to be registered as non-partisan in California.

    I have read Prop 91 thru' 97, decided what to do, and am ready to vote. I will be there in line.
In California, an Independent is permitted to vote in the Democrat ballot but not the Republican.

I wish they had Donald Duck or Goofy on the ballot to vote for. But I'll choose the best or the worst when I am in the voting booth.

I would love to hear your position on term limits later.

VICKY


pickledpigspheet 53M
104 posts
2/5/2008 9:49 am

If you are a non-partisan voter, your ballot does not allow you to vote either as a democrat or a republican for a presidential candidate. You are only allowed to vote on local measures, if any, propositions 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96 and 97. Moreover, there is an American Independent Party in California, and many "independent" voters are confused between the Independent Party and being Non-Partisan. To be truly independent of any party, you need to be registered as non-partisan in California.

I have read Prop 91 thru' 97, decided what to do, and am ready to vote. I will be there in line.


touch213 69M

2/5/2008 8:23 am

Good post.