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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F
3081 posts
2/15/2008 11:55 am
Racial Slurs


"Slope" is an Anti-Asian racial slur that includes words such as "chink," "Chinaman," "Jap," "Zip," "Nip," "gook,"and "slant-eye," that is offensive to most Asian Americans.

Are they really racial slurs?



This weekend, this "almond-eyed" "China girl" is going skiing and I hope I am able to find a "chink" on the crowded "slope" so I can "zip" back to the lodge for a "nip" of hot chocolate.

You all enjoy yourselves.

VICKY


chink = gap
slope = desending side of hilll
zip = rush
nip = small sips


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/21/2008 10:27 pm

    Quoting temptation101:
    Use of those words is wrong, but if you respond with the n... word then you're no better than the person that said Japs, Chinks, Flips, and Gooks, and the "n..." word has a much deeper meaning when directed at a Black person. The "n..." has a long history. If I were you, I would not call a black person a "n...". Two wrongs don't make a right, and the "n" word is a trigger word in Black America -- especially when it's used by a non-black.

    Unlike a number of other racial slurs -- which are all wrong. The "n..." word is rooted in slavery and beyond. See "Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word" by Randall Kennedy.

    Now, you seem like a nice, intelligent young lady. Your also very attractive and petite (I've seen your picture and you're not made to take a pounding). Don't be naive and take a chance on getting beat within an inch of your life -- or worse -- by called a black person a "n...". Ever black person who hears that word might jump you. Always take the high ground. I telling you this as a Black man: don't go out and say something dumb that could get you hurt bad.

    Now, we might say all type of things on this web site, but the real world's a lot different.

    However, if you feel that you've got to do it, go out there and call a black person a "n...", and see how long it takes before someone is beating on your head. Be safe and think smart (We both know that you can do both)
OH, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill Cosby said it best when he deplored Blacks calling each other nigger.

What is it about Blacks that they feel free to cast racial slurs at Asians but hide behind the defense that they were slaves so are free to do so.

Hmmm, sounds like a lot of BS to m.


temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 9:52 pm

    Quoting victorylee0516:
    Sure, I can tell you what it is.

    I was at a political rally in San Francisco a few weeks ago and the Blacks were talking about trying to raise money from the Japs, the Chinks, the Flips, and the Gooks.

    When some of us questioned the use of those words, a Black Obama supporter told us, "You people need to get on the band wagon cause you Orientals is going to be remembered for not supporting a Black man."

    Hmm, Oriental is furniture. Asian is a person.

    I wonder what the Obama supporter would have thought if I said I didn't want to vote for a nigger, but an American instead.

    My opinion

    VICKY
Use of those words is wrong, but if you respond with the n... word then you're no better than the person that said Japs, Chinks, Flips, and Gooks, and the "n..." word has a much deeper meaning when directed at a Black person. The "n..." has a long history. If I were you, I would not call a black person a "n...". Two wrongs don't make a right, and the "n" word is a trigger word in Black America -- especially when it's used by a non-black.

Unlike a number of other racial slurs -- which are all wrong. The "n..." word is rooted in slavery and beyond. See "Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word" by Randall Kennedy.

Now, you seem like a nice, intelligent young lady. Your also very attractive and petite (I've seen your picture and you're not made to take a pounding). Don't be naive and take a chance on getting beat within an inch of your life -- or worse -- by called a black person a "n...". Ever black person who hears that word might jump you. Always take the high ground. I telling you this as a Black man: don't go out and say something dumb that could get you hurt bad.

Now, we might say all type of things on this web site, but the real world's a lot different.

However, if you feel that you've got to do it, go out there and call a black person a "n...", and see how long it takes before someone is beating on your head. Be safe and think smart (We both know that you can do both)


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/21/2008 6:09 pm

    Quoting  :

Yeah, I wanted to see what the Great Black Hype was all about and I really didn't like what I saw.

Just a bunch of slogans, nothing of substance, no questions really answered at all. Everyone seemed to try to be polite. And these chubby Nan Kan white ladies were ooohhhinggg and ahhing Obama and maybe wishing they were his mother.

And the food, gosh, you want eat healthy all of the time? I went to a McCain dinner and the food was fun to eat, 1/2 pound burgers, and ribs and every one was having a great time.

I also could not believe how hostile the Obama supporters were when I asked what he was going to do for Asians. So I now what's going to happen to us. We're not even on the radar screen.


temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 6:03 pm

this was directed toward nikon01.


temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 6:01 pm

The Black political establishment is not prejudiced towards Asians. for the first thing, there is really NO BLACK POLITICAL ESTABLISH IN AMERICA. America is ran by white people. There are black activists, but these men and woman do not speak for all black people. Most of them have been thrust on the stage (behind closed doors) by white america. Go ahead and continue to buy into the hate until it destroys you. Pass the hate down to your children, and you will have joined the American tradition of hate. Let the hate consume you. Buy into the narrow concept that I've meet some black people that I don't like so they're all like that.

How many Black people have you encountered in your life? How much of the United States have you visited? You're right, I'm speaking to an Asian man, and what does that mean. The Japanese dominated the far east for a long time. Do you hate every person of Japanese descent.

People, from the same ethnic group, may have differences (look at this site). That's why people are people. If every one was the same the world would be a dull place.

I guess you've meet ever black person in American, and now you know that there is not a black person in America that can be trusted. Your experiences are so broad! According to you no black man has credibilty. Black Judges in Federal and State Court have no credibility and cannot be trusted according to you. Black teachers have no credibilty and cannot be trusted according to you.

A. Philip Randolph had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Martin Luther King had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Booker T. Washington had no credibilty and could not be trusted. T. Thomas Fortune had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Ida B. Well-Barnett had no credibilty and could not be trusted. W.E.B. DuBois had no credibilty and could not be trusted. James Weldon Johnson had no credibilty and could not be trusted. The late United States Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Charles Clinton Spaulding had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Mary McLeod Bethune had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Charles Hamilton Houston had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Whitney M. Young had no credibilty and could not be trusted. The late Rev. Richard Allen had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Frederick Douglas had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Harriet Tubman had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Ralph Bunch (who won the Nobel prize) had no credibilty and could not be trusted. Paul Robeson had no credibilty and could not be trusted.

All of these people and more have, or had, no credibilty and could not be trusted because you've meet every black person who lives 9and who's ever lived) in America and therefor your opinion rules on black america -- even though you're new to the country.

Confucius once said "When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them". He also said that "when you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it -- this is knowledge", and " What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others", one of my favorites: "I am not one who was born in the possession of knowledge; I am one who is fond of antiquity, and earnest in seeking it there", and finally, "By nature, men are nearly alike; by practice, they get to be wide apart".

Finally "To know that you do not know is the best. to pretend to know when you do not know is a disease". Lao-tzu.


temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 3:13 pm

Nikon01

I've read a few of your posts, and I really don't have any comment. No offense, but I find your comments -- in a number of situations -- to be somewhat narrow-minded. I'm not judging you, because everyone is entitled to their opinion.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/21/2008 1:29 pm

    Quoting Longstory_:
    Oh, I really first hear of that....Hapyy your life.
I am always happy when you drop by.

How are things with you?

VICKY


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/21/2008 1:28 pm

    Quoting  :

Funny, you should say that. You don't even have a picture. What's the problem? You too ugly to post one?


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/21/2008 1:27 pm

    Quoting temptation101:
    Words like "chink", "jap", "slant-eye", and "gook" are really racial slurs. The definition of words is always evolving, but the aforementioned words have always had racial connotations (words also bring their history with them -- meaning, under what circumstances was the word generated e.g., the n... word). One may find other contexts in which to use one of the above-mentioned words, because sometimes sentence structure may impact on the words definition [reference e.g., linguistics: syntax, semantics]. However, when it's all said and done, a racist word is a racist word.

    In a number of situations, people use these words because they are unaware of what the word represents, or they use the word in another context which negates the original racist intent, or they identify with what the word represents to the target ethnic group.

    I mean, take a look at some of the comments from some of the above-listed people who have posted a reply to your inquiry.

    Finally, could someone please explain to me the nexus between Obama and all of this.
Sure, I can tell you what it is.

I was at a political rally in San Francisco a few weeks ago and the Blacks were talking about trying to raise money from the Japs, the Chinks, the Flips, and the Gooks.

When some of us questioned the use of those words, a Black Obama supporter told us, "You people need to get on the band wagon cause you Orientals is going to be remembered for not supporting a Black man."

Hmm, Oriental is furniture. Asian is a person.

I wonder what the Obama supporter would have thought if I said I didn't want to vote for a nigger, but an American instead.

My opinion

VICKY


temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 7:53 am

Words like "chink", "jap", "slant-eye", and "gook" are really racial slurs. The definition of words is always evolving, but the aforementioned words have always had racial connotations (words also bring their history with them -- meaning, under what circumstances was the word generated e.g., the n... word). One may find other contexts in which to use one of the above-mentioned words, because sometimes sentence structure may impact on the words definition [reference e.g., linguistics: syntax, semantics]. However, when it's all said and done, a racist word is a racist word.

In a number of situations, people use these words because they are unaware of what the word represents, or they use the word in another context which negates the original racist intent, or they identify with what the word represents to the target ethnic group.

I mean, take a look at some of the comments from some of the above-listed people who have posted a reply to your inquiry.

Finally, could someone please explain to me the nexus between Obama and all of this.


usamariyana
(you li)
71F

2/19/2008 6:23 pm

The words no matter,just don't care for......Only care ourself standing on the world with our culture,enough!

Happy every one in the holiday of Yuan Xiao !


Longstory_ 50F

2/19/2008 2:05 am

Oh, I really first hear of that....Hapyy your life.


buyuan111 53M
3539 posts
2/18/2008 9:51 pm

have fun for ur skiing weekend?!


usamariyana
(you li)
71F

2/18/2008 5:52 pm

Also Asia Friendfinder don't represent Chinese of think, only is an example....


pickledpigspheet 53M
104 posts
2/18/2008 9:23 am

    Quoting a4dpilot4u:
    The use of "slope" is normally used to describe an angle of a line, a hill side, a road etc. As a man that adores Asian, basis of, years of being in most all of the Asian Countries, the "slur" side of "slope" refers to "slope head" a term derived from the angle of the fore head of most Asian's! YES, IT IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO USE THE TERM IN THIS MANNER.
Hats off to thee for the enlightenment. Agree wholeheartedly. Asians, especially Chinese, also have "sloped" backheads, or flatheads. This is due to the flattening of the skull by gravity when infants are typically placed on their backs all day and all night. It's not the infants' fault for having sloped heads; it's the parents' and the medical community's error, for not being aware of the need to rotate the baby's sleeping position to round the head during the baby's skull formative months.


cuddleboy69
(cuddle )
57M

2/17/2008 9:57 am

They are usually insults, but mainly because of intention, historical usage and context.

Can you tell us (or me) what your PhD is in?

(Incidentally, I have a friend who loves to use the word "niggardly")


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/17/2008 9:40 am

    Quoting Daveman_2:
    If you are skiing this weekend. How come your online and chatting? 3.00 am east coast time?
with iPhone can do internet anytime, anyplace, even early in the morning when sitting on the potty.


HelenYee 36F
166 posts
2/17/2008 7:52 am

-:聖母玛利亞,賜給皒大夶旳幸畐。,
有时间上我呢串串门哦``


Daveman_2 51M
341 posts
2/17/2008 5:44 am

If you are skiing this weekend. How come your online and chatting? 3.00 am east coast time?


hotcold3333
(timmy )
57M
116 posts
2/16/2008 4:32 pm

Vicky you have put the cat among the pigeons
racism as described in the dictionary the belief that each rakes or ethnic group possesses Pacific characteristic ability or qualities that distinguished it as inferior or superior to another such group
them without may sin cast the first stone ,yes i know i am a hypocrite
i like to get in too this a lot more with yea all it too hard for for me because or my Dyslexic just take me too long looking evry word up in the dictionary too spell it weight
so if you show me some one how is not a racist i show you a dead person
if you were on a liferaft and could only take on one more person you see your sister and the captain of the ship how is closer too you how do you thake on your sister so dos this make you a racist
lol to yea all from a black irsh man


touch213 69M

2/16/2008 2:11 pm

And voting for Obama does not solve the problem neither.

now what does that have to do with this subject discussion ... .


cheewong123
(sam wong)
50M

2/16/2008 4:34 am

For Chinese, you address them as chinese.

What about black, do they get offended if you address them as black. Because the word negro sounds like a slave to me.

Or they are supposed to be called hispanic

Forgive my ignorance, you teach me and educate me before i bump into and offended him unconciously.

cheers


touch213 69M

2/15/2008 7:32 pm

why would I want to own the word.. ??

shall I repeat..

"considered to be cheap in context in the nature of the american culture because of the racist implications that are assocciated with reference, and derivatives or similarities.. of what is the worth of dignity, person, and being, as if to imply.. less than.. and unworthy. "

if you note.. the nature of your discuss is the ambiguity of the usage(s) of words.. and their associations and proclivity of usage as implications to negative connotations in the racial and ethnic climate of social environments..


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

2/15/2008 7:11 pm

    Quoting touch213:
    it's not uneducated.. it's what that word originated from.. and the implication of cheap, is not so much as you think of just being related to currency for the sake of currency.. it's implication is that as one's who were considered niggars, were paid cheap, and considered to be cheap in context of what is the worth of dignity, person, and being, as if to imply.. less than.. and unworthy..

    the context of the ethnicities by their generalized characterization of reference to physical denotations of visual imagery is:
    Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid & Australoid the word niggar is a distortion of Negoriod created to imply a less than implication of a ethnicity of people as a whole.

    so if you understand what Nikon has said.. you'd understand what you say you can't understand, and you'd not attempt to try and claim your verbal usage as being some intellectual achievement..
GOSH, YOU DON'T OWN THE WORD NIGGARD

COPY AND PASTED FROM THE INTERNET

American Political Correctness & the word "Niggardly"
I've mentioned before that I like words. I like to learn new words, I like to explore etymology, I like to read words used in literature...

I've also been meaning to write something about American Political Over-correctness in my blog... Today I got the chance to combine the two

Local newspaper Wilmington Star raises the issue of a parent wanting a teacher fired for teaching a class an adverb with a so-called "racial slur":

Stephanie Bell, a fourth-grade teacher at Williams Elementary School, taught the word "niggardly" to her class last week in an effort to improve her students' vocabularies.

Now, a parent wants her fired.

(via inappropriate response, via MT's Recently updated-list)

I don't know how common this word is - I only discovered it today, but according to the article, it's also used in "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers".

According to dict.org, the word is defined like this:

Niggardly
\Nig"gard*ly\, a.
Meanly covetous or avarcious in dealing with others; stingy; niggard.

Where the owner of the house will be bountiful, it is not for the steward to be niggardly. --Bp. Hall.
Syn: Avarcious; covetous; parsimonious; sparing; miserly; penurios; sordid; stingy.

niggardly
adj : petty in giving or spending; "a niggardly tip" [syn: grudging, scrimy]

The Whilmington Star goes on:
This isn't the first time the word has stirred controversy. In 1999, for instance, an employee in the Washington, D.C., mayor's office resigned after being accused of using a racial slur. He had used the word "niggardly" during a conversation about funding.

Ms. Bell said she was sorry the word offended someone, but she wants people to understand that "niggardly" is an appropriate word.

"If these children read it, they are going to need to know what they are reading," she said. "My concern is that we are treading a fine line here. … What word do we take out next?"

No offense to our American readers, but pleeeae... Political correctness can go too far! Some digging on the above mentioned Washington DC case gave me this article from Salon magazine: The N-word:
David Howard, the white director of a Washington D.C. municipal agency [..] told his staff that, in light of budget cutbacks, he would have to be "niggardly" with funds. An uproar followed that resulted in Howard's resignation, which was accepted by Mayor Anthony Williams on the grounds that Howard had shown poor judgment.

Even some of the commentators who admitted that they knew that "niggardly" has no relation to "nigger" (the origins of the first word predate those of "nigger" by about 300 years) still condemned Howard. They were answered by the columnist Tony Snow, who wrote, "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who

a) didn't know the meaning of the word 'niggardly'

b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the word's meaning and

c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."

Further digging on the etymology of the word reveals:
Despite the similarity in spelling - [...] - this word has no connection with nigger. The adverb form niggardly was formed in the sixteenth century from niggard, the name for a miser or stingy person. In the Wycliffe Bible of 1384 it was spelt nygard; earlier still it can be found as nigon, and another form nig also existed. We are pretty sure this was borrowed from a Scandinavian source, because there are related words in several Germanic languages, for example, the Old Norse hnøgger, meaning "stingy".

(Source: World Wide Words)

Firing people because they master the English language better than their critics? I totally understand that words or phrases that imply that a certain person is of lesser value due to his or her colour, gender or religion are sensitive, but just don't take it too far and start censoring words that do not have this meaning or intent!

I also understand that race is a sensitive issue in the States (like it also is (and increasingly becoming) in Europe), but still - what's the deal with camouflaging it as if differences in appearance are non-existing? It's the inside that counts, remember? What people think and believe, how they behave - what they say & what they do - not what colour their skin has!

Comedian George Calin has been quoted to have said or written the following on the "Black" vs "African American" vs "Coloured" issue:

First of all, I say "black." I say "black" because most black people prefer "black." I don't say "people of color." People of color sounds like something you see when you're on mushrooms. Besides, the use of people of color is dishonest. It means precisely the same as colored people. If you're not willing to say "colored people," you shouldn't be saying "people of color."

Besides, the whole idea of color is bullshit anyway. What should we call white people? "People of no color?" Isn't pink a color? In fact, white people are not really white at all, they're different shades of pink, olive, and beige. In other words, they're colored. And black people are rarely black. [...]


touch213 69M

2/15/2008 5:56 pm

it's not uneducated.. it's what that word originated from.. and the implication of cheap, is not so much as you think of just being related to currency for the sake of currency.. it's implication is that as one's who were considered niggars, were paid cheap, and considered to be cheap in context of what is the worth of dignity, person, and being, as if to imply.. less than.. and unworthy..

the context of the ethnicities by their generalized characterization of reference to physical denotations of visual imagery is:
Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid & Australoid the word niggar is a distortion of Negoriod created to imply a less than implication of a ethnicity of people as a whole.

so if you understand what Nikon has said.. you'd understand what you say you can't understand, and you'd not attempt to try and claim your verbal usage as being some intellectual achievement..