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2/21/2008 12:27 am

Asians in Politics

Wow!!!

All of a sudden, Asians here in the SF Bay Area are being confronted by the Black community to come out and support their boy, Obama, for President.

It is disgusting is that many Asians are bending over backwards so they can be the first to fall in line to kiss his back side, and this is after the Black community in California continues to complain about "uppity" Asians making major inroads into their communities, economically, socially, and politically.

One Asia Friendfinder blogger tells us to "listen" and frankly, all I am hearing is the same old BS that has resonated from the lily-livered liberals of the left-wing Democrats advocating taking from the hard-working "rich" Asians and giving to "poor" lazy Blacks.

Am I being racist or just expressing my opinion? Maybe a little of both, since I am willing to confront the Black racist views of Asians.

Just recently, I was invited to attend a function comprised of mostly of Asians who were trying to raise money for the Democrat party. One group was backing Clinton and the other group was backing Obama. What disgusted me most was that both sides were claiming that these two groups were "owed" the Asian vote.

"OWED"???? WHAT THE HECK??? I do not think either person has earned our vote yet.

Clinton's husband signed very restrictive anti-Asian immigration legislation and Obama counts as one of his supporters, Jesse Jackson, who made it his business to extort "protection" money from the Asian business community.

Obama's people were asked about the Jesse Jackson and Sharpton connection and they mostly tried to soft pedal their way out of the conversation promising us (Asians) change. Yeah, like taking our change out of our pockets and putting into theirs.

Until the Black candidate can address Asian concerns with specifics, I think we should just step back, put our hands in our pockets to protect our wallets, and see exactly what the Democrats are going to offer us for our support.

Watch our resident Black expert jump into this conversation with another one of his long-winded comments.

My opinion and nothing else.

Vicky

SteveZ
(Steve Z) 50M

3/2/2008 2:33 am

This will be my last post on the Subject. Sorry for the Blog
invasion Vicky.

"Don't loose sleep over something beyond your control and that does not affect you."

Ohh really Nikon? Inst that SELFISH? Those poor people in
Katina were killed for no good reasons. And yes, it DOES effect
me... because unlike you, I actually care about others and others
lives... not just myself.

And, you are assuming the behind the scenes stuff does not effect me
on other levels, such as my wallet.

And the Bush video is not a Hoax. Its documented fact that Bush
was warned, and it was video taped. He even taped a speech saying
that we were prepared. Yet, it never was aired...

But, Someone DID managed to get that VIDEO PROOF to the public.

You also assume that videos are all made by people of self interest.
And assume that the facts are not cross-verifiable in historical
documents. I understand there is a large deal of falsified
information out there, Which is why one has to do a good deal of
research to make sure. Otherwise, you are allowing the wolves to
surround the sheep, and close in for the kills.

" rich and successful by trying to better themself, not by trying to destroy other"

Well, lets think about that... The reason why many big companies
are wealthy is because they are getting people to work like slaves.
16 hr shifts, pennies and hour, 7 days a week... to make Ipods for
example. These companies rarely have any concern for the
environmental destruction they cause... and often use their money
to buy Govt. lawmakers to keep them off their backs. Enron
sure didnt seem to be concerned about bettering themselves. Instead,
some thought about how to better their accounts at the expense at
tons of others lives.

That does not even consider people brought up in rich families
who never have to worry about money, who are spoiled rotten
and see the world as their own personal toilet to crap all over
the people that they feel are inferior.

The Rich USUALLY get rich because they are stingy, have lots
of money to start with, and have lots of connections withing their
rich family ties. Rich families wouldnt see it any other way, then
to keep the power in their hands.

Bush family made their fortunes by working with the Nazis. The
pope even got all the deceased victims monies from the Nazis in
exchange for helping the Nazis escape. But, the money was never
sent to the victims remaining family members as it should have been.
Instead, it was used to make the Popes Lair more pimped out.

Did you know that Nikola Tesla was building a device to give the
world Free Energy, and the RICH MEN (JP Morgan I believe) tore it
down because they wanted the money from power usage, for themselves?

Hell, I believe it was the UK who FORCED the Chinese into trading
Drugs with them in exchange for goods. And when I say forced, I mean
killed and brutalized many.

I guess cause it wasnt me, that I shouldnt be concerned right?

Well, when it IS me, who will stand up FOR me?! Nobody! That is what selfish interests gets oneself!

Story:

A priest saw people get token away, and said and did nothing. Its not me, he thought. Later, his friends were token away. He
said and did nothing. Later, they came for him... and nobody said
or did anything... there was nobody left to do or say anything...

-----

And thanks rejoicefrance. I am not certain what to do, or what
can be done yet. I only know the word should be spread so that
there may be new possibilities.

I also realize that every positive action does count in this
world. The only problem is, it is very hard to counter all the
negative when the rules are tipped in their favor... as well as
them working 100x the opposite direction.

Take care,
Steve

SteveZ
(Steve Z) 50M

2/29/2008 9:46 pm

Nikon,

If you have read my recent posting, you will find VIDEO EVIDENCE
that president Bush had warning several days in advance about
Katrina and what damages it would do. He was told the Dike would
more than likely fail, and that the superdome would be underwater.

Did he warn and evacuate people? Nope! He went to parties.

Then, after it hit, they were slow to react. He came on TV
interviews and said he was not warned. All the while SMILING.

So tell me MR. Purity... WHY O WHY WOULD ANYONE BE SO ROTTEN?!

Its obvious that there are cold hearted people out there... whos
beliefs included racism, killing in the name of God, Satanism,
Selfish, Harmful, abusive, mean in spirit, and so much more. Yet
you live inside your head - and believe people like this do not
exists. Its quite funny, but VERY Naive.

Assuming that the Charities are not fronts, sure, there are those
rich who have warm hearts. But I can tell you for FACT, there are
those who are greedy, cold hearted, and mean spirited... and stop
at nothing to get their ways. Just because you have not met them
personally does not mean they do not exist.

And furthermore, IM STILL WAITING for you to prove me wrong
FACTUALLY.

SteveZ
(Steve Z) 50M

2/29/2008 4:19 am

Nikon,

We all want to believe that things are great dont we?
Just like if we heard our girl was cheating on us, or was told
she was trouble, we may not even consider the thought...

But, what if what you think, is not really true?
If you dont look for yourself, you wont know for sure.
Ive looked, and there is plenty of historical data on the subject.

**What you said sounds like a lot of conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy yes. Theories no.

**I must regret to tell you that I don't believe them. its alsmost like believing that there is a CIA within the CIA, or that the CIA is controlling the President.

Nikon, how much money would it take to pay you to do something
terrible for me? Maybe you wouldnt, but many do and have.

In fact, President W.Wilson was funded by these Elite men of
secret power and massive wealth. They told him that if they got
him into office, that he would have to pass a certain bill for
them. Of course, he didnt realize what that bill was all about...
until it was well too late. That bill, was the one that separated
USA from its own money... and put money in the hands of Private
business. You can search it for yourself. Its all true. All the
quotes I put here, were from men of high office and honor... and
were recorded historically.

Since all that times past, much has gotten worse. And yes,
the election process is controlled. Using money, corporate power,
threats, blackmail, and much more.

**The salary of the Fed Chairman is only $120,000, the last time I checked in 2004, while the salary of a private bank president must be in the $$-millions. So I don't know whose getting rich or profit from working for the Fed Reserve.

Your funny. Do you REALLY THINK that the guys are going to put
the stuff on the books? And besides, this is a private company..
the OWNER gets the big money. Though, Im sure the cronies are getting
much more benefits than listed on some paper.

Did you know that the USA govt. have NEVER done as AUDIT on the FED?!

**If the Fed Reserve is a private company, then who owns this company ? Who are the shareholders ? Are they a group of secret rich men that no one knows, maybe someone richer than Bill Gate ?

A lot of names may be on that list... and they make gates look
like a street beggar. These are most likely big name families such
as the Rockefeller's, Rothschild's, and many more.

This game started to cook in UK.. where a Rothschild swindled the
stock market, and ended up owning almost everything for pennies on the
dollar. Yet, its been going on for a lot longer than that.

These certain Banker Families are rich beyond your imagination,
and they dont play by the rules. The only thing they care for in
this world is money and control. They dont just own money, they
own stock in all major companies, and can basically dictate how things
are ran. This includes the Mass Media.

Did you know that David Rockefeller recent went to Japan to
converse with the Emperor? Do you think that such a person would
see just any man from usa? What do you supposed such men had in
common, and what to talk about? Are you also familiar with the
Bilderberg meetings? Do you know who attends those and WHY???
Start doing your homework buddy.

**If its a private company , then why does the President of the USA gets to appoint its Chairman, and then needs the Senate's confirmation ? Then how did these men, former chairmens such as Paul Volka, Alan Greenspan, now Ben Benancke get to become Chairmen of the Fed Reserve? Are they all crooks ? Is the Bank of England, Bundesbunk, Bank of Japan, and other countries Central Banks ,etc also a private company ?

Yes, all these Major banks are private, and are part of massive
corruption. If you wish to know more, search for this movie:

"The money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America" Its on google video. You may need to pause it often,
as its over 3hrs long. Yet, in only a short time watching, you will see some shocking truths.

It matters very little who the pres. is recommended to puts in the chairs. Pres. has no real power over the Fed. Its an illusion,
like most things of this nature.

**Again, Steve, what you said sounds alot like conspiracy theories. I don't think there is a group of clandenstine rich men somewhere in this country controlling our economy, our livlihood, nor the United States Federal Reserve Central Bank. Sorry.

Dont be sorry. Be smart. If you had 10 trillion dollars right now,
what kinds of things might you decide to do? And when you got bored
of that??? How long before you decided it was time to impose your
will on the system - to make it behave as YOU think it should behave?
You and your other rich and powerful families, that is...

Until you have looked into any of what I said, YOU are wrong. Prove
me otherwise. I dare you.

SteveZ
(Steve Z) 50M

2/28/2008 6:52 pm

Nikon,

No. The FED does NOT do what is Best for the USA. Its a PRIVATE
company, and it does things to make money for itself.

It used heavy corruption to get its way in to power.

It is bleeding usa of all of its money through heavy interests.

Now, how can you expect usa to pay it back when the very value of
the dollar is determined by them?! They can simply print more money,
and reduce the value of money. You also must realize, that if you
owe money, your dollar value is reduced the moment they lend you
more money to try to pay it back.

They also have ties into the stock market, and have unfair
advantages.

Did you know that they actually stole all of the Gold from
Fort Knox? When regan went to try to go back to a gold standard,
he asked how much we had. After he found that the Fed took it,
he inquired. They told him they are holding on to it until we
pay them back. Yet, most believe the Fed has actually sold all
of our gold at inflated prices to countries overseas.

No, they Fed has their own Agendas. Ran by ultra rich men
behind the scenes... who use their money and power to corrupt
the Govt. and make world changes at their say so.

But dont take my words for it... heres some very powerful
historical quotes, some even from the former President:

dec 22 1913 bill passed by sneakery when all but a few had left
for the holidays. Upon returning:

"This Act establishes the most Gigantic TRUST ON EARTH. When the
president signs this bill, the INVISIBLE govt the MONETARY POWER
will be Leagalized! The people may not know it immediately, but
the day of reckoning is only a few years removed... The WORST
legislative CRIME of the AGES is Perptrated by this BANKING BILL.

- Rep. Charles Lindbergh (R-mn)

"It can cause the pendulim of a rising and falling market to swing
gentlty back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause
VIOLENT fluctuations by a greater rate variation. IN EITHER CASE it
will Possess INSIDE INFORMATION as to the financial conditions and
advanced knowledge of the coming change, either up or down.

This is the STRANGEST, most DANGEROUS ADVANTAGE EVER PLACED
in the hands of a special privilege class by any GOVT that EVER EXISTED

They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage. They
also known when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well
for them when they control Finance..."

--Rep Charles Linberg (R-MN)

"A Super-State CONTROLLED by international bankers and international
industrialist acting TOGETHER to ENSLAVE the WORLD for their OWN
PLEASURE."

--REp Louis McFadden (D-PA)

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--PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON:

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most
COMPLETELY CONTROLLED GOVTs in the Civilized world - No longer
a Govt of free opinion, No longer a Govt. by... a VOTE of the majority,
but a Govt by the OPINION and DURESS of a SMALL GROUP OF
DOMINANT MEN.

Some of the Biggest men in the United states, in the field of
commerce and Manufacture are afraid of something.

They KNOW that there IS a power somewhere so organized, so
subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so COMPLETE, so Pervasive,
that they had better not speak above their breath when they
speak in Condemnation of it"

--PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON

Before his Death: " I have unwittingly ruined my govt."

These international bankers and Rockefeller-standard
OIL interests Control the majority of Newspapers and
the colums of these papers to club into SUBMISSION
or drive out of Public Office Officials who Refuse
to the the bidding of the powerful CORRUPT cliques
which compose the INVISIBLE GOVT."

--Theodore Roosevelt

"The warning of Roosevelt has much timeliness today,
for the real menace of our repubic is this
INVISIBLE GOVT which like a GIANT OCTOPUS Sprawls
its slimy length over city, state, and nation... It
seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our
executive bodies, our schools, our courts, our
newspapers, and every agency created for the
Public PROTECTION...

To depart from mere Generalizations, let me say
that at the head of this octopus are the
Rockefeller-Standard Oil interestand a small group
of POWERFUL banking houses generally referred to as
the International Bankers. The little coterie of
POWERFUL international bankers virtually run the
United Stated Govt for their own SELFISH
Purposes."

They practically control both parties, write
political platforms, make catpaws or party leaders,
use the leading men of private organizations, and
resort to every device to place in nomination for
high public office only such candidates as will be
amenable to the dictates of corrupt big buisness...

These intenational bankers and Rockefeller-Standard
Oil interests control the majority of newspapers
and magazines in this country."

--John Hylam, Mayor of New York
New York Times, March 26, 1922
====

"The Federal Reserve definitely caused the
Great Depression by contracting the amount of
currency in circulation from 1929 to 1933"

--Milton Freidman, Nobel Prize winning economist

---

"After WW1, Germany fell into the hands of the
German international bankers. Those bankers
brough her and they now owned her, lock, stock
and barrel. They have purchased her industries,
they have their mortages on her soil, they control
her production, they control all her public
utilities.

The International bankers have subsidized the
present Govt of Germany and they have also
supplied every dollar of the money Adolph Hitler has
used in his lavish campain to build up a threat
to the Govt of Bruening

When Bruining fails to obey the orders of the
German I.bankers, Hitler is brought forth to scare
the Germans into submission...

Throught the F.Reserve Board... over $30 billions
of AMERICAN money... has been Pumped into Germany...
You have all heard of the spending that has taken
place in Germany...

Moderinistic dwellings, her great planetariums, her
gymnasiums, her swimming pools, her fine public
highways, her perfect factories. ALL this was
done on OUR money. All this was given to Germany
through the Federal Reserve Board.

The F.Resv Board has pumped so many BILLIONS of
dollars into Germany that they dare not name the
total."

--Rep, Louis McFadden (D-PA)

kaitak66
(Joe ) 57M

2/28/2008 6:27 am

Given your dissatisfaction with Obama and Clinton camps, i would suggest Mccain. I have met him, and he seems a decent man. I think the most important attribute for a politician is to do what they think is right, not what they think will be popular. I think Mccain has proven he is like that,

SteveZ
(Steve Z) 50M

2/28/2008 5:28 am

Did you know that one of the reasons why anyone has any money in
America is because the Federal Reserve has loaned it to us?

Did you know that the FED is NOT OWNED nor controlled by the USA?
Its a Private company... and money it makes, does not go into USA.

Did you know that most all the money collected by the IRS goes
to pay the INTEREST on the BORROWED money that we owe to the FED???

So basically, the FED is bleeding us to death with Debt. Yet,
No presidential candidate has done anything to stop this insanity!

Obama, Hillary, Mccain... none of those spoke out against this.

Who did?

Ron Paul.

He believes we can pay off all our debts in a very short time
period, (by cutting massive Govt. programs which are unneeded and wasting our money) and Eliminate the FED for good, so that we are not constantly spiraling into massive debt.

He also believe in restoring our constitution... as well as staying
out of Wars.

He was also a Doctor for many years, delivering babies. He seems
to be the only candidate who doesnt seem to be made of attacks & lies.

Will you believe those set phony up poles? Or will you vote for the guy who really means change?

Will you keep arguing about race? Just as they want you to? As its
been said before "Together We Stand. Divided we fall.".

There is another reason why USA has had more money than other
countries. The reason why you all have nice things and living
arrangements is because of slave labor from poorly payed workers
in countries like China. These people making your IPOD'S might
make 2 dollars a day, work 16hrs long, 7 days a week... and sleep
and live in the actual factory. How sad is that?

So, getting in a huff about money to me is almost hypocritical.
Though, I do understand the issue here... and I agree... that
unfair treatment was wrong. Sad to see that still happens in
any race and place.

touch213 69M

2/23/2008 6:48 pm

victorylee0516

If that happen to me.. I'd have addressed it with whom ever the event planner was .. and I also would have.. requested, and demand that the campaign manger get direct contact with the candidate and have the candidate address the matter and make it certain that I expect a reply..

I've done it in various situation where I felt things were not fairly done, and I get to the person that can make a difference and I care to know they are aware of the practices that are behind engaged.. and especially by the people who are entrusted to manage the event on his behalf..

and I have taken the TV station to address situations, and when they hesitated, and gave me a shuffle off..to people who had no authority to act.. I requested to talk to the station manager, and requested they come and address it, when I returned to the location.. the media was there ready to interview the comcast customers about the problems.. and they did.. not only did comcast fix my problem, they fixed the problem of the people in the city, relative to the issues we were having.. and within this whole situation, the matter was addressed before the city council as well.. Now they have better response in this city to customer issues, last I heard they were to have local people that address localized issue when requested or as needed.. rather than the central operator just taking info.. I don't know what additionally the other people got, but for me..they applied credit for the poor service and free premium channels for 6 months, and put my plan on a promotional program that lasted a year..

I am for people being treated fairly as people.. and the responsible party who is to assure such.. will be addressed if it's not done..

I moved to this area and I watched people.. just let things roll along without a second response .. and I ask them why.. why do they allow this stuff to happen and not address it.. and so far I get favorable results when I address things... I don't go out looking for irregularities, and I do consider the situation and the circumstance.. but if they are in place the action are unfair and wrongful.. then I address the matter..

in your situation and experience.. I can understand how that felt, as I've experienced prejudicial impacts .. but I would care to know.. if this situation was made known directly unto the candidate...

as this stuff is handled on the floor by the campaign managers.. and the candidate most certainly needs to know when their people do something that brings the act or appearance of bias .. it's far beyond just get the money back.. it's a matter or principal that requires response .. but, the steps must be pressed to insure that they don't circumvent the act of notifying the candidate of the complain and requesting response... and being persistent to get a response... never can we as people allow stuff to go unchallenged.. and and un-addressed and we must demand a suitable resolve.

Warm_and_nice 70M

818 posts
2/23/2008 9:59 am

Quoting rejoicefrance

1. ( "I want a president who will pursue these villains to the ends of the earth and bring them to justice." Amen. )

As do many of the normal, day-to-day people who live in the countries that America's government seeks to dominate and manipulate for its' own oil (and economic) needs.

But the definition as to who are the villains, as defined by the people in those countries, will not be the same as yours. Neither would their answer to any of the other questions be the same as yours. It is very much a matter of perspective.

That does not make the average day-to-day person in any of those countries a terrorist, nor does it make me a supporter of such idiotic behaviour; there is something seriously wrong between the ears of anyone who sets out to be a terrorist. But with the impotence of the UN (of which, I believe, the US is the largest provider of funds... and who is going to bite the hand that feeds them?) it is easy to understand how some people can see such acts as the only way to fight back against "the villains" who invade their countries.

That is simply my point, that there are two sides to everything.

2. "What is your puppy name ????"

I cannot be certain, but I think at the time the photo was taken that particulr pup was known as "Cutex" because she had one toenail painted pink for identification purposes.

But I know you, RF... that does does give you permission to post a recipe for "Cutex Pie" !!

You have a good day too, and God Bless to you also.

May your God go with you.

victorylee0516
(victoria lee) 41F

2/23/2008 9:15 am

Regarding Touch

I invited Touch to post his views here since people seldom visit his site.

He does have his very strong points of view that I sometimes disagree with but sometimes his insights are pretty good, once you get past his style of writing.

I really don't censor anyone and I enjoy reading everybody's comments.

victorylee0516
(victoria lee) 41F

2/23/2008 9:12 am

In 2007 I was invited by some friends to fill a table they had purchased at a "get to know the candidate" fund raising event for Obama.

The value of the tables ranged from the most expensive in the front rows to the least expensive in the back rows. My friend had purchased one of the high-priced front row tables.

When we arrived we were told, "sorry, but our table had been reassigned to another party and we were now seated in the cheap seats in the rear of the auditorium.

My host, went to our original table and asked the people (all Blacks) there how much they had paid for their table and they replied $500. He came back to the coordinator's table and demanded a refund of his donation. At first they would not give it to him, then he told them that he was going to find the nearest TV crew and tell them how the Asians were being shoved to the back of the bus so that any Black could have a front row seat paid for by Asians.

He did get his check back and I have not opened my check book since to donate to the Demoncrats.

Morale of the story: Asians can't buy their way to the front of the bus because it will always be reserved for Obama's "people."

VICKY

victorylee0516
(victoria lee) 41F

2/23/2008 12:04 am

The inability to use correctly the President's English is what drove the Ebonics movement in the 1990s until even today and perhaps why some people, such as Touch, write the way they do.

Children taking pride in counting to four in Swahili instead of doing math correctly is not doing the education system any good at all.

1 -- Wonmudapaka

2 -- Tumudapaka

3 -- Treemudapaka

4 -- Foremudapaka

touch213 69M

2/22/2008 7:51 pm

there's probably more beyond your comprehension than you have comprehended.. and you are most certainly correct, I choose to lump multiple ideas together because life is not in seperate boxes, categorically nor chronologically..
as to pretending to be smart, that's your own conceptual assumption, I say what I think and what I choose to say .. and I assert it with my voicing of doing so.. and because it's not in an appeasement manner as you seem to expect .. well that's tough, because the option exist as the site and computer makes capable .. to scroll right on past it..
I actually find some of the stuff you have written to be quite without the depth that it may have potential to contain.. but it's just not there.... but it's cool..you have free option to express to what ever level that suits you.

I've clearly states, that I don't particularly care for the formality of English in my manner of writing as your relish... and thats by my choice ...

but thanks for the concern... I truly don't need it, but thanks anyway..

touch213 69M

2/22/2008 7:38 pm

rejoicefrance

Am I A Bad American

Touch

you make many comments and then try and nutralize them .. which is cool if that is what works...

I have no esteem problems.. when I first joined this site, some of the members who were existing members at that time, made those statement to me..

I also recall you wrongly implied that I made some advance toward you that was inappropriate and I never had any motivation attempt to approach you in any such a manner. my contact with you was topic related to your disdain at the outspoken stance that Divanci stated that you did not care for.. and i offer you a supporting commentary, and you followed up with some implicating that you blocked me, which I did not write you beyond that for you to have need or reason or activity for you to block.. and I don't have if any or surely only a few visit even to your blog if you have one..

I write because I enjoy writing.. and have been doing so for a few years on here, and I write whether people read it or not, because I enjoy writing..
as for comments on people's blogs, I think if someone took the time to write it and read it and it motivates a thought I share the thought.
period... I need no other agenda..

we all are here hopefully to share and learn ... and grow as people... communication serves it's best purposes by such objective.

Warm_and_nice 70M

818 posts
2/22/2008 2:00 pm

... and changing tack slightly to quote pickledpigspheet (who is obviously a Republican)...

"I want a good ending to the pain and suffering inflicted on so many by so few, and the true enemies are still out there plotting against us while we seem to have a false sense of security and think that the world is safe. A good ending will be the destruction or capture of the root troublemakers, who have seemed to elude detection. I want a president who will pursue these villains to the ends of the earth and bring them to justice."

What is a good ending, and for whom ?
Who are the many, and who are the few ?
Who are the true enemies ?
Who are the root troublemakers ?
Who are the villains ?
Whose justice ?

You speak like an American, sir.

The answers to my questions should be supplied by the United Nations, were it to be an independent body and not just a (paid for) puppet of the US.

May your God go with you.

cuddleboy69
(cuddle ) 57M

2/22/2008 12:53 pm

rejoicefrance

Bush

Rejoicefrance, thanks for your discussion.

I think we have a different understandings of some things. For example it's my understanding that the economic situation is worse in Iraq now than it was before the invasion. I also understand that Opium poppy production in Afganistan has skyrocketed since the overthrough of the Talliban. But perhaps your information is different. I also think perhaps we also have a bit of a different view of the media and the direction of its bias.

My main point though was that people don't like their country to be invaded and occupied. I know of no instance in history when people liked that. The French didn't like the German occupiers in WW2, I guess the Vietnamesse didn't like the French and American occupiers (more colonists in this case so perhaps it's different), and certainly the Chinese and Koreans don't love the Japanese more because of being invaded and occupied by them. On the other hand it's not hard to find propoganda from these time periods which declare how much the occupations were actually just trying to help out.

touch213 69M

2/22/2008 12:47 pm

my point is not anyone disagreeing with a black man.. you severely missed the point again... " discrimination is an act and conducted by actions".. and it's therefore is a principal concern that people are to eradicate.. as a principal..

what you find difficult to digest about that, I have no idea. civil rights was not about blacks .. it was about people .. and you sorely are missing that point..

you also misseed the point that there are many many groups in this nation and this world that fought against discrimination within the CR movenment.. and that's so far removed from being a black issue .. it's a nation issue... that affects "people" of a nation within a nation.. and as a matter of fact across the Globe..

this silliness of you disagreeing with a black person is something you may need to work on within yourself... because .. my subject is about principals and engaging principals as a coalition of people who have cause to address a principal...

you are proving to be far less astute in interpretations that I previously had thought, to so quickly go to your .. "any time a person disagree with a black man craziness"... I don't know what problem you have or have had with black people independently.. but .. people who are of the black group.. does not mean that everyone who is a member of the group of black people is fitting your modeling of racist..

syllogisms.. of logical reality and the nature of understanding is a very key thing if interpretations are to be gathered..

now .. I said and will say again.. people say J. Jackson and A Sharpton, then I'd simply ask a question, then who is the person that is a memeber of a nation organization have Asian supported to represent and be a spokes person.. that's a plain and straight forward question. and the question that follows that .. is.. what National and regional groups or coalitions have they joined to gather a volume of supporter to put forth the concerns that are within the represented group, to assert their issues on a national and political stage.. ??

that is not racist, that is a question? which you were so eager to claim me racist you missed that entirely.. there are groups where any and every people seek out NATIONAL stage, affiliations, colloborations and build coalitions... then again.. I ask .. who is the representative, and what is their stand and position and where is their presence in the coalition building efforts.

now there's not one thing racist in that...

all I see is your expounding some bias that is racist in the context of assumptions, and your slanderous intent and efforts to push a better than imagery by point and depiction of what groups of federalized assistance that is made for the people of this nation.. you may want to learn more about what you speak.. you may want to go in and learn the expanse of what and who Child protective agencies benefit, and many other things... but your inner drive to substantiate your biases don't address your do they convey an address to the initial questions.. but in truth.. your mirror would reflect a racist far and long before mine would reflect anything but an indivudal that is askihng a question.. and stating a fact of what is discrimination and how it applies as being a fact of principal of and act and actions.

beyond that.. I see mostly a post that is driven by racist commentary and a continuance to seek to justify yourself as being such..

and I personally... don't care much for racist people.. Period.. the world has to much in and about it, for there to be much room for me to be concerned about individuals who care to be racist..

cuddleboy69
(cuddle ) 57M

2/22/2008 12:36 pm

"When taxes are lower, everybody have more monies to buy an extra soda a day, and therfore the soda company would have to hire more workers to produce more sodas, and thus creating more jobs ..."

... in Mexico.

touch213 69M

2/22/2008 11:48 am

Pure over simplification !!!!!!!!!!!! there are variables within that mix that you either by choice omit or by being unaware.. and that's the element and fact of what is inflation, the more people make the more thing cost.. and wages does not rise in direct relation to inflation, but you also left out what in international market place.. and the cost product, and sales price relation within a enviornment, when the labor is no longer provided by that enviornment but the product is for sale in that enviornment to people who have not the employment base to create the income necessary to purchase that product..
there are so many elements that you over look in this matter..

now about the house and th 500K it depends on what that interest rate is, and how that 500K is remaining, is it refinanced debt with high rate is it debt that was held at a fixed rate which was at a lower %, and what is the income of the kids who have to meet the payment on that debt .. and in this climate of today, with the value drops in property the ratio's change .. but also the stand of what employment pays changed as well. so it depends on the economic modeling of those within that enviornment... Go and ask some of the people who had such home in the State of Michigan, who's kids can't pay for them even though they are million dollar homes, and those homes are sitting on the market in a enviornment were few can afford to purchase them, but yet that payment still must be met.. and if they leverage it to withdraw what is proposed equity then they have a higher payment, and maybe still no sale that eat away at that leveraged loan proceeds.. unless they have gainful employment that gives them a cushion.

if your simplified modeling was fact and that simple, the economist would not be in such a quandry of variables and that being of compounded variables that has impacted the whole world economy..

the nature of the world and the economy has changed as a world economy which changed what is a nation's economy which changed what is a communities economy which changed what is an individuals position and abilities within those economies..

you talk of the waiter, who gets the extra tip, but you fail to mention, that their still making min wage salary is based on their tip gains, which is being eaten by higher food cost, higher fuel cost and their base income has not been increased, and they have to either pay for their own medical or increased premium contribution to those premiums and their basic housing cost increase along with everything else,.. and they are reliant on the good will of a patron.. which has not stability of % income that is stable nor fixed..

fine line comments about a logical premise is great but it has more variables in that.. now if you issue those as study items to build and modify and equate from as basis conceptual modeling, to find out what and how and of concern of the impacting factors upon that .. then you would find they do not stand as stated, and it takes many modification.. and those modification at the current model stand to support.. the need for governmental subsidizing.. for those people to live a life they can support the minimum standards.. and then people turn and condem them for needing assistance.. and then they balk at the government providing that assistance and tax dollars being earmarked for that assistance.. but yet the tax breaks to the wealthy is being taken when that is money that needs to go back into the machine of it all, not higher gains in the pockets of the wealthy as tax breaks and the masses are stuck with the scenario that requires subsidizing of the working mass.. which is done by the taxation of the working class.. and the wealth are exempt on two fronts within the process... and the wealthy claim oh we can hire more people.. but they hire more people who need more assistance and subsidizing, because they are lowly paid and given sub standard benefits while trying to perform in a higher cost enviornment.. with diminished resource ability to meet those cost..

pickledpigspheet 53M

104 posts
2/22/2008 11:18 am

Here's my take on this year's presidential nomination and election.

It would most likely be Obama vs. McCain unless Hillary becomes the comeback lady and wins substantially in the Texas primary-caucus, in Ohio, in Pennsylvania and all remaining states. She may have a pledged delegate tie with Obama going into the convention and have a super delegate edge putting her over the top. But it looks like the momentum is with Obama, and if he carries Texas plus the zero delegate count debacle in MI and FL which punishes Hillary more than Obama, he will be the Dem nominee.

If it's Obama vs. McCain in November, this is what I think will happen:

PUBS (short for Republicans)
Pubs fall in line. Republicans, libertarians and conservatives, many independents included, will vote for McCain, although McCain in many hardcore rightwingers' eyes is not a true conservative. But Pubs are loyal, disciplined voters, and between the devil and the deep blue sea, they would rather compromise with drowning than jumping ship and catching on fire. Moreover, most hardcore Pubs want to carry the Iraq war and the War on Terror to their respective final conclusions, no matter how we define the wars or the criteria of victory. Electing McCain is like giving Bush a 3rd term, and continuing the prosecution of a similar foreign policy. I can live with that. I want a good ending to the pain and suffering inflicted on so many by so few, and the true enemies are still out there plotting against us while we seem to have a false sense of security and think that the world is safe. A good ending will be the destruction or capture of the root troublemakers, who have seemed to elude detection. I want a president who will pursue these villains to the ends of the earth and bring them to justice.

DEMS (short for Democrats)
Dems fall in love. Democrats, liberals, union members, many independents included, and a substantial majority of youths and college students will vote for Obama. However, Dems and liberals are known to be undisciplined, disloyal and wishy-washy, a.k.a flip floppers when they cast their ballot. Especially youths and college kids, who have very little clue about the voting process and the regulatory requirements and rules about balloting during general election in November. They can show up in campuses and caucuses en masse to throw their weight behind Obama during the primaries; they can even rally funds and support online; but they will fall short in November. Why? Because the primaries and caucuses have less restrictive rules on how one votes. In the general election in November, the voter is required to either vote via absentee ballot if he/she is away from home or via physical presence at the voter's specific precinct with a sample ballot in hand. Most college kids who are away from home are lazy and indifferent to vote either way. And if they show up, they normally show up in the wrong precinct - the precinct in the campus which is different from the precinct at home. They can cast provisional ballots, but we know that provisional ballots are subject to scrutiny only when there's a recount; otherwise, they are seldom depended on for serious tallying. And if Obama gets elected, I can bet on my s*xy arse that he will appoint mostly people of close color to his to his cabinet. To many of his "you owe me" supporters, it's payback time! And it will be extremely difficult of Obama to betray them at his hour of triumph.

touch213 69M

2/22/2008 10:18 am

it's funny... you guys are HARD CORE Racist !!!!!!!!!! no body is going to give you a political platform, and none one is going to give you some illusion of political power.. .. if you want it, stand up and fight for it like everyone else.. and the bigotry within disposition and attitude is astounding.... no matter how you phrase and wrap it .. it's overt..

on another point .. one person states, that One dollar for health care is one less worker.. now that say more than they think it says..
" if you don't care about your worker and the only concern is to get more workers.. without any cost to care for the worker.. that's the same things people are facing in China and other underdeveloped countries, .. lack of benefit that contribute to the care and consideration of the worker.. they only see increased production wrapped in the delusion of "one more worker'.. that's greed, self consumption and ignorance of the the nature of the work enviornment of these United States and what it is trying to promote and build not just in this country but around the world.. and that's precisely where there is a continual need for Unions... also looking at the alternative of moving labor offshore but wanting to still sell in this nation should bring higher import charges to any establishment that is established here but does not produce here.. and run .. because the cost of worker benefits is something that is desired not to be engaged. but american won't back peddle into a mass of sweat shops ..that have no regard for the labor and it's responsibility to provide benefits.. and the laws, have it defined as to what is the number ranges .. such as 1-10 employees = x 10-100 employee =x and so on..

but the lack of concern for the socio-economic realism of what is to exist not just to prosper a business but a people...is what prospers a nation when it's understood and embraced..

As to the fact people can't deal with the party candidate and invoke nothing but a racist, cry of .. "I've been left out" .. is as pathetic as it sounds.. but they can't name not one "national person they have organized nor joined within organization as a mouthpiece to address their concerns.. they also can't and don't have a developed base that has a blend and mix of all the various Asian groups having a represented stance and a selected spokes person.. but yet, they cry.. I've been ignored and I've not been given a pre paved political pathway.. but still there the Chinese that can't stand the Japanese, the vietnames and the Cambodian, the Phillipines and etc... they can't even stand each other, and have not built a coalition within those ranks.. and don't care to even make an attempt.. and then they complain about the organizations that are in existance, but they don't do anything to try and join those and merge their issues.. all they want is some seperate platform that has some gifted privilege of support when they have not put together a cohesive program and organization to politically connect with other groups and they don't care to connect with other groups...
I recall on discuss that was about the CR movenment. and the comment was.. Oh.. we fought our own way and our own issues..well fact is.. CR violation is a violation as a point fact..and principal.. and the EEOC and the Federal departments that deal with this .. deal with the principal.. not the ethnicity.l.. but the principal of what is a violation and how is a violation addressed to meet compliance with a standardized concept of what is "Equality"... but what I keep hearing is this.. "Asian want this seperate program becase they are Asian as if they are in some distinct group" when America has more groups of people than anyone can count comfortably... so.. Join in the core of what is the fight for "Equality" not some delusion of .."what is Asian Equality".. that same standing outside the main organizationals groups and then complaining .. no.. Join in and stop with this >. I'm so special delusional stuff.. " coalitions".. is a word they want no part of .. because they still don't even like each other, and maybe like other's even less. and that is clearly display in this blog... with repetitive statements.. either Accept being American... as being an American in what is the pursuit of "Equality" and join in the stand for EQUALITY FOR PEOPLE.. PERIOD..!!!

and this gloat about .. oh we are so successful everyone resents us..
this is a competetive nature of what is capitalistic society.. competition is the nature of the beast.. then compete and don't expect to do so without the competetive challenges face you as they face anyone else who is competing in a competetive enviornment..

it's ludicrous.. you don't hear GM saying oh Ford don't like us because we are GM, they know Ford is fighting for their survival and economic gains just as GM is..
it's crazy... whites fight with whites who are in competetive engagment for profit pursuit, black fight with blacks, and mexican fight with mexican's and they fight each other in a mixed competetive edges for their profit pursuits .. but the Asians are saying they want their's unimpeded by the competetive nature of what is capitalistic competetive gains.. with that same mindset of.. " we our outside of the main stream of wanting to be engaged in the collective process of anything..the same as they choose to think that their discrimination was so different from the whole premise and point of what is discrimination.. they missed the point.. the fight against discrimination is a principal fight for the eradication of what is " the nature and act of discrimination...

cuddleboy69
(cuddle ) 57M

2/22/2008 8:24 am

victorylee0516

Ok this one is all about the issues. I can that see you vote based on self interest (which I guess almost everyone does, even if they don't admit it).

Certainly you seem to be more economically towards the Republicans. I would only suggest that you also consider US foreign policy and your ballooning debt. I think these are the two biggest mess ups of the Bush administration. You may have lower taxes, but your country owes so much money that eventually everyone will suffer for it. You may think only the poor will suffer, but when the poor start to suffer enough the rich can feel it too (even if you live in a gated community 40 miles from downtown). Also generally speaking invading other countries and occupying them for decades doesn't make you endeared to the locals (not to mention the big $$$ it takes).

cuddleboy69
(cuddle ) 57M

2/22/2008 8:00 am

victorylee0516

这张照片比较清楚一点。。。谢谢。

你为什么老是要把人分得一堆一堆的呢？

你知道吗，我就是西方男人。但是你看不到我的脸也不会知道。我也能分亚洲人（比方说我能分是印度人还是日本人还是土耳其人还是犹太人。。。哈哈。。。开玩笑我也能分得出来中国人与中国人）。

mike694u
(Mike ) 70M

2 posts
2/22/2008 12:58 am

Victory,

I agree with you as I was raised in the South here in the US.
Jesse Jackson is from my home town.
Your a very smart and thoughtful girl!
Mike

victorylee0516
(victoria lee) 41F

2/21/2008 6:35 pm

temptation101

Do you know where the term "Chinese Fire Drill" comes from?

During the American Civil War at Augusta Georgia, the local fire fighters were off fighting for the glory of the South. Left behind were Chinese who took over the duties of city firemen.

Once a month they would hold fire drills in the town square. At least that is what the lady said at their local museum when I visited there last year during the Masters tournament.

temptation101 55M

2/21/2008 6:14 pm

I guess I'm get the next race riot -- in California -- on television in NYC. Good luck! You might be able to get everything youo need for your race war on-line.

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