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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F
3081 posts
8/20/2008 8:53 am
The silence is deafening


A democracy attempts to protect its boundaries and its internal security from the actions of separatists who represent a minority in areas of the country.

The Russians step in to assist these rebels to establish their own independent enclaves within Georgia with an eye towards perhaps annexing these territories at some future date.

Amazing, don't you think? The Russians can do no wrong. There is a strong silence from the American elitist liberal left regarding the Russian invasion of Georgia.

The Russian bear is now recovered and flexing its new nationalism. The Chinese Dragon is on an economic prowl. American leftists have clipped the wings of the American eagle.

I wonder what the American left is going to do when something like this happens down the road here in America.

What happens if groups of Russian/Chinese expatriates decide they've had enough of the American Way and ask for help from their homeland? Will the American left be standing on the docks of San Francisco welcoming the fleets of these invading nations?

Will they go out and purchase Russian vodka and Chinese noodles to celebrate the fall of the United States? Oops, I forgot, they already do that. They eat Chinese noodles and get wasted on Russian vodka at their exclusive Hollywood parties.

VICKY
Still shopping, Hu Tong exploring, and having a great time meeting really nice people from around the world in Beijing

tennischen 53M
2 posts
8/28/2008 2:32 am

    Quoting rejoicefrance:
    Thinking of all the Canadian, American and British soldiers.

    THE FINAL INSPECTION

    The soldier stood and faced God,
    Which must always come to pass.
    He hoped his shoes were shining,
    Just as brightly as his brass.

    'Step forward now, you soldier,
    How shall I deal with you ?
    Have you always turned the other cheek ?
    To My Church have you been true?'

    The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
    'No, Lord, I guess I ain't.
    Because those of us who carry guns,
    Can't always be a saint.

    I've had to work most Sundays,
    And at times my talk was tough.
    And sometimes I've been violent,
    Because the world is awfully rough.

    But, I never took a penny,
    That wasn't mine to keep...
    Though I worked a lot of overtime,
    When the bills got just too steep.

    And I never passed a cry for help,
    Though at times I shook with fear.
    And sometimes, God, forgive me,
    I've wept unmanly tears.

    I know I don't deserve a place,
    Among the people here.
    They never wanted me around,
    Except to calm their fears.

    If you've a place for me here, Lord,
    It needn't be so grand.
    I never expected or had too much,
    But if you don't, I'll understand.

    There was a silence all around the throne,
    Where the saints had often trod.
    As the soldier waited quietly,
    For the judgment of his God.

    'Step forward now, you soldier,
    You've borne your burdens well.
    Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
    You've done your time in Hell.'

    Author Unknown~

    It's the Military, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Military, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Military, not the politicians that ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag.

    My salutation !!!

    God Bless
    Rejoicefrance
No offense, but the military is just a general term that measures the strength of the aggression and defense capabilities of a nation.

Without action, a military is non-existent like a tree in a silent forest.

I think you may be confusing the terminology with the popular American song and dance from CNN; about saluting the flag and supporting the war. You forgot the intellectuals and politicians that use the military for their own career ambitions, not to mention the business interests involved.

Casualties of war for vain historical pages and pockets of the elites. Wasted Iraqi lives for American expansionism.

Next to the auto industries; the military industry is one of largest manufacturing sectors in the USA, if not the world. The United States need to have wars to survive. There is nothing holy about that. Lives are wasted because of the gigantic remnant business engines of war created since WWII.

Are people in the USA that confused about their country's purpose in the Iraq Invasion?

Peace and prosperity is begotten after laws and rules are established and after you have acquired the military agenda to defend those rules and laws. Aggressors usually swallow the weak. (i.e., the non-nuclear but well endowed with resources. axis of evils, weapons of mass destruction; labels of the enemies then applied. followed by invasion.)

To the American people, the country of USA maybe be holy and godly, but to the rest of the world, it is a hypocritical dictator not worthy of praise or sentimentality.

I would be ashamed to be an American or pay taxes to a fundamentally erroneous government.


tennischen 53M
2 posts
8/28/2008 2:06 am

    Quoting jpollock:
    No debate, just comments re tennischen.
    1. tipping of scales implies there is world order, otherwise there would be anarchy.
    2. last time I checked, Vietnam has no nuclear power. Al-Queda has no nuclear power. Please use your terms correctly, use of the facist term is merely grasping at the political term most abhorant to communists or the left.
    3. It depends on what you consider conquering. Is communism a chinese philosophy? Is capitalism a chinese philosophy? If the chinese people are truly ambigious, won't all the people want their share of the pot? Increasing labor costs? Who does the proletariet overthrow in China? Can chinese capitalism maintain its growth with increasing graft and corruption? What happens when the infra-structure no longer supports growth? If the expatriate chinese intermarry with other cultures, races, are they chinese? Do chinese consider inter-racial children chinese? If chinese men do not want children of other previous marriages, even if the women are chinese, can they consider the children as just like them?
    4. a nuclear deterent applies if there is something to retaliate against. If you are Al-Queda or the Palestians, the nuclear threat means nothing. Isreal has the bomb.
    5. I do not think Mao thought conflict was for wealth. I do not think Ho Chi Minh thought war was for wealth. I do not think the Arab-Isreali conflict is for wealth. Sometimes war is for ideologies (nationalism, religion, natural resources to maintain economies).
    6.The invisible hand? So there is order?
    7. Self preservation is a western belief. If you believe that the stage after life, death or matyrdom is better than life, there is no self preservation. If you believe death brings you to the next step to nirvana, is self preservation the guiding light? Suicide bombers? killers who shot/kill others and then themselves? Human wave attacks by the communist chinese during the Korean War? Kamakaze attacks during WWII? Honor before self-preservation? Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. It's ironic that you profess chinese conquering, but think western. Who has actually conquered who?

    no debate, just comments...
    and as Vickie always says...just my opinion..
    Jpollock
1. anarchy; is a political ideology of chaos without order; presumably can not exist; but can it exist? Is the world in order? If so who's orders?

2. war is a business venture with high collateral consequences. if the resources in Vietnam were measurable. There would be future aggressors. Note; history; French, and American attempted to occupy Vietnam. Why withdrawal, the collateral damage does not equate the adequacy of perceived resources. Al Queda was just an excuse to enter to Iraq and Iran. (2nd largest untapped oil reserve in the world.)

3. truly ambitious not ambiguous. Capitalism, communism, notions of proletariat are fundamental academic terms. Chinese people do not associate themselves with such labels. As the majority of chinese population is under 30, many do not remember the reasons for history.

4. "increasing graft and corruption" = typical ethnocentric western bias; power=corruption. what government is not corrupt?

5. war is always about wealth. it is soldiers that confuse ideologies with realities

6. not order- self correction- unless you consider that is order?

7. there is self-preservation at the individual level, and at race/nation level. individuals may be persuaded by religion or ideologies to act against their natural instincts for survival; intellectuals running the societies are not. Every nation and race seeks self-preservation.

***The populace pay the price of the principles of the intellectuals in order to preserve the interest of its society- to survive and thrive.

8.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

8/28/2008 12:03 am

    Quoting rejoicefrance:
    Hi....Tennischen....

    1. World order- no such thing; countries vie for power everyday. Scales tip everyday.

    7. Human nature, despite various self interests. As a collective- self interest is to survive as a specie

    Sadly,I have to say "Welcome to life " I was told that when you have monie, you have power regardless, isnt ironic but somewhat true?

    I have no intention to debat on this,I would rather let each one of us draw a conclusion with his/her experience . Please forgive me if I offendre !!!

    Good day....

    God Bless
    Rejoicefrance
Why worry if you offend? Opinions are just that. We should respect different points of view. Just because some people disagree with yours does not mean they are right and your are wrong.


jpollock 69M
70 posts
8/23/2008 12:21 am

No debate, just comments re tennischen.
1. tipping of scales implies there is world order, otherwise there would be anarchy.
2. last time I checked, Vietnam has no nuclear power. Al-Queda has no nuclear power. Please use your terms correctly, use of the facist term is merely grasping at the political term most abhorant to communists or the left.
3. It depends on what you consider conquering. Is communism a chinese philosophy? Is capitalism a chinese philosophy? If the chinese people are truly ambigious, won't all the people want their share of the pot? Increasing labor costs? Who does the proletariet overthrow in China? Can chinese capitalism maintain its growth with increasing graft and corruption? What happens when the infra-structure no longer supports growth? If the expatriate chinese intermarry with other cultures, races, are they chinese? Do chinese consider inter-racial children chinese? If chinese men do not want children of other previous marriages, even if the women are chinese, can they consider the children as just like them?
4. a nuclear deterent applies if there is something to retaliate against. If you are Al-Queda or the Palestians, the nuclear threat means nothing. Isreal has the bomb.
5. I do not think Mao thought conflict was for wealth. I do not think Ho Chi Minh thought war was for wealth. I do not think the Arab-Isreali conflict is for wealth. Sometimes war is for ideologies (nationalism, religion, natural resources to maintain economies).
6.The invisible hand? So there is order?
7. Self preservation is a western belief. If you believe that the stage after life, death or matyrdom is better than life, there is no self preservation. If you believe death brings you to the next step to nirvana, is self preservation the guiding light? Suicide bombers? killers who shot/kill others and then themselves? Human wave attacks by the communist chinese during the Korean War? Kamakaze attacks during WWII? Honor before self-preservation? Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. It's ironic that you profess chinese conquering, but think western. Who has actually conquered who?

no debate, just comments...
and as Vickie always says...just my opinion..
Jpollock


Geentay 63M

8/21/2008 9:06 am

The Oldest Living Civilization
An old missionary student of China once remarked that Chinese history is “remote, monotonous, obscure, and-worst of all-there is too much of it.” China has the longest continuous history of any country in the world–3,500 years of written history. And even 3,500 years ago China’s civilization was old! This in itself is discouraging to the student, particularly if we think of history as a baffling catalogue of who begat somebody, who succeeded somebody, who slew somebody, with only an occasional concubine thrown in for human interest. But taken in another way, Chinese history can be made to throw sharp lights and revealing shadows on the story of all mankind–from its most primitive beginnings, some of which were in Asia, to its highest point of development in philosophy and religion, literature and art.


touch213 69M

8/21/2008 7:50 am

but the Chinese have been on this planet the longest, and

Africa has the oldest fossil remains of mankind .. as to the homo sapien,

for the length of time, that there have been tribal civilization on the African continent, they have managed to do so, and not make the animals extinct... that is much more deeper in relevancy and significance, than, the so claimed economic meccas, of the current day models.. will every acknowledge or regard.. in what is the nature of humane inter-working with nature and the natural earth and it's animal kingdom.


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

8/21/2008 3:55 am

Not really.


jpollock 69M
70 posts
8/20/2008 9:17 pm

Silence goes both ways.
On February 15, 1991, George H. W. Bush, was heard by Iraqis on the Voice of America radio saying:
"There is another way for the bloodshed to stop: And that is, for the Iraqi military and the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside and then comply with the United Nations' resolutions and rejoin the family of peace-loving nations”
When the Shia and Kurds revolted, Bush and the US did nothing.
On October 23, 1956, during the midsts of the Cold War, Hungary revolted, requested American help. The Revolution was crushed by the Soviets. Eisenhower did nothing.
On August 20, 1969, the Warsaw Pact entered Prague, Czechoslovakia and put an end to the Prague Spring. Nixon did nothing.
Reagan was president and instead of bullying Iran, he invades Granada.
North Korea is identified as a bona fide member of the Axis of Evil…Yet, did Bush do anything when North Korea tests their medium range “ICBM”?
Did you really think anybody was going to intervene or do something in Georgia? Maybe George thought the Russians would burn Atlanta and save Michael Vick.
just my opinion,
jpollock


touch213 69M

8/20/2008 8:26 pm

runingfu... that's not the move... but what needs to be investigated if anyone is to grasp a method to understand the moves.. is to look at the collaborations.. and again, that means to look at what lies behind the situation.. which is talks between Russia, and China and their other supporter the N. Koreans.. then if it's fully investigated, the talks probably involve some of the Arab nations, with dollar support.. behind Russia... it's an ideology struggle, with resources and fuel, in the depth of what is the points of matter and concerns.


touch213 69M

8/20/2008 5:11 pm

Amazing, don't you think? The Russians can do no wrong. There is a strong silence from the American elitist liberal left regarding the Russian invasion of Georgia.

The Russian bear is now recovered and flexing its new nationalism. The Chinese Dragon is on an economic prowl. American leftists have clipped the wings of the American eagle.


it cannot be underestimated the collective levels which Russia and China collaborate..

they are not democracies as the US and the Democracies of the world, and they know.. one can hit on the economic level, and the other punch and slap.. to see what kind of fight back comes, and if none comes from the other democracies, then it's a "go ahead" to China to continue its economic push, and Russia to plan it's re-organizational pursuits.. and try and rebuild communism from two fronts.

China is looking for markets, it does not care about many thing, whether that market is democratic or communist, they want markets, and the Russian market looks attractive to China's pursuit of economic dominance. and Russia would love to rebuild the collective such as a Soviet style empire.. and they would then support one unto the other, and have their communist model on two fronts, with a great % of the population of the world..

All the other nations, are simply weak, and passive, looking for a big brother to come and do the battles for them.. the Nordic region, they do nothing, there are other regions with Democracies, that do nothing.. and yet they are aware of what is a threat of Russian Soviet style system.. but they do nothing still. they are as all nations are, "aware", of the march of China, to seek and want, to dominate the economic landscape, as to industry and manufacturing, and to gain enough power to dominate any country that has the resources that it desperately needs... China is far less passive than it appears on the surface.. and it has it's billion plus people, that it cares to maintain, and within their current modeling, it's beneficial to the establishment to maintain it as close to status quo, as they can.. and by any means that it can.. it will be as it will be to try and gain it's aims.. The spying network of China has been on full throttle for many years.. and it has a different way of fighting, that is not on the surface for all to see with bullets and guns, it fights by a different means... as the years have shown, it flexes at various points, to convey the message that it will exercise it's power, but not as people expect to see it, but as it chooses to use it.. again, if one looks at the book, "the Art of War".. it may give a glimpse into the strategy.. which is to win before the bullets are ever put in the gun, and then only use the guy to make other comply, after the war is won.. but to first try and win the war, where only threat is needed by showing the power, to avoid having to fire the gun.. it's a very different type of battle..within a very different type of war..

The US has been in a "save the world" mode far too long without any help from the other democracies, all they do is sit back and wait to find out what they can buy up, to profit themselves, and contribute nothing to the support of America to help it with it's battles, or it's economy... they sit in wait to capture the spoils.. and then laugh at the despair of the suffrage from battles, the US endures..

the US, needs to heal itself.. that it can be strong to protect itself, because it has only allies who are with a need, they offer nothing, of support, help nor assistance.. nor sacrifice to help America be and stay or regain it's strength... and they will just as easily accept Soviet style dominance, as long as it means they don't have to be responsible for anything or make any choices to contribute anything that might even resemble a sacrifice.. they'd accept bondage before they would stand and contribute anything.

and this is a prime example of their passive nature and their silence about Georgia.. waiting.. expecting the US.. to cover their butts.

while they sit back and claim how civilized and humane they are..