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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F
3081 posts
8/26/2008 8:41 am
Europe Wants You to Immigrate


European deaths may outnumber births from 2015
(08-26) 05:46 PDT BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) --

Deaths are expected to outnumber births in the European Union from 2015 when migration will become the only source of population growth, according to an EU report released Tuesday.

The forecasts show Europe aging rapidly over future decades with fewer workers paying the pension and health care costs of more and more elderly people.

In the near-term, the number of EU citizens in the 27-nation bloc will swell from today's 495 million to 521 million in 2035. But after that it will shrink back gradually to 506 million in 2060, according to the EU's statistics agency.

Many more people will live longer, with those aged 80 or over almost tripling in number from 22 million now to 61 million in 2060, Eurostat predicts.

EU officials regularly warn governments they need to do more to prepare for this population timebomb which will see two workers for every retiree in 2060 instead of four at present.

Some European countries are trying to tackle this by encouraging people to work longer, shedding some rules that allow some professions retire in their 50s.

The population changes will vary from country to country.

By 2060, Britain will overtake Germany and France to become the European Union's most populous state, increasing by a quarter to 77 million.

Germany will shrink to 71 million while France will grow to 72 million, Italy to 59 million and Spain to 52 million.

Ireland – which currently has Europe's second highest birth rate after France – will grow by half, while Cyprus, one of the EU's smallest states, will expand by three quarters.

Some eastern European states will see their populations fall dramatically. Bulgaria will drop by 28 percent, Latvia by 26 percent, Lithuania by 24 percent, Romania by 21 percent and Poland by 18 percent, Eurostat forecasts.

The Luxembourg-based EU agency warns that its figures are a "what-if scenario" that should be taken with caution. It says it assumes that all European countries will become more similar with birth rates falling and people living longer.

touch213 69M

8/28/2008 4:09 pm

as to the basics of sex... the realism of individual.. all they can do is learn how to be open with each other, that they can accept and share their creativity in how they like doing it.. and if many can do that without judging each other's whole moral self behind it..
they be able to be as creative in their sharing as they can imagine to desire..

everyone thinks creative ways to do it, and some have such poor communicating methods, they can't share with each other the creative ideas they desire.. some even spend their time trying to pretend that it is not important, when it's always important because it's part of their being as a being.. nature makes it active for what it is.. by the kenetic of male and female and our natural desires and likes for pleasure that we can find and create thru sharing it... and everyone likes to get their stuff played with.. and the more they do so, they more they find it infuses their variable depths of each other...

there are so many people married, that don't even know what the other likes as to creative ways to express it.. because they don't talk, they don't joke.. sometimes it's got any kind of mood they want to have .. they just have to enjoy sharing the moods within their sexual engaging activities.. some times, it's all about romanticism, sometimes it's about fun and having fun, sometimes its about explorations and just the desire to explore the pleasure aspect and find out how many ways sensations can delights.. and all that matters is they appreciate each other as individuals, and respect each other as people and they won't be driven to take the other for granted..

it makes no sense that people pledge to spend their lives with other, but they don't share their lives in all it's splendor..

as for me, about women and sex.. I think to want her to have all the pleasure she can want, and to find as many ways as we can imagine to engage it... but people for some reason find so much challenge in being of such openness with each other.. and miss much of the beauty of what sharing can give to each of them.. trying to confine it to some pre-formatted concept..

I don't know you any more than I know any of the other people in this site.. but .. just as you like discussion, exploring subject matter, and having humor, and having the spirited engagments in conversations.. it would not be unreasonable to think.. in a relationship.. you'd want..the same nature of principals in engaging life and exploring it... and still the matter concerns people simply wanting to be respected and appreciated as an individual, and not judged by their interest to share and explore life and living..

but people have to realize one does not control the other.. they simply share with each other.. and they make it the best arrangment they can.. that opens for them to share as much as they can imagine and not be constrained in being their own individual self..

and it's such a simple realism.. why we as people make it such a conflict of much... is amazing.


touch213 69M

8/28/2008 3:55 pm

it goes to show that in life the value of children outweigh the economic , and many of them find ways to provide... we forget that the basics in life are simple, food, water, shelter, and mating... all things other become a luxury and convenience...
we distress ourselves by our choice of opulence in food, and opulence in shelter, and extravagance in mating selection of mates.. and none of it means anything because.. this shows true when tragedies strike and wipe all that out, what remains is the care about the family..

nature is simple.. man and woman love to love each other, and sex is it's own natural realism...

but even many rich people find themselves more unhappy than many poor families that struggle together to make it.. and some have even said their relationship was stronger before they got wealth, and fell apart after they got it..

all it really takes is two people who want to be together and want to make it, and they do what they can to make it as best they can..

as for sex.. it's life.. I don't see any point in how people run around in their lives trying to save it as if it's something that is not to be utilized in shared expression... and no matter when or how they do it.. it's never any more than they think it is.. and it's never any more than they appreciate sharing it to make it become.. it's only a body organ..

but life is designed so it's gives it it's years of fertility, and it takes it's fertility away.... and if people learn to appreciate it for the beauty and joy that it is to share.. they'd not try to make it more than what it is..

maybe poor people have a better grasp on that in poor areas ?? because in many well to do areas.. sex is made into the most absurd cycle of crap that make people where they can't even be people with each other for bartering and bargaining and expecting to be praised like they are some goddess behind it.. and it's never about that.. except to those who pursue it with that delusion...

people have been screwing since life began, and there's no mystery about it's simplicity.. what the man has fits inside of what the woman has.. that's the basic simplicity of it..


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
41F

8/28/2008 10:51 am

It seems that the ones who can least afford children are the ones who are still producing babies, especially in the poorest regions of the world.

What could be causing this:

No TV sets.
No other available distractions.
SEX is GOOD
Need the children to help out on the farm or business.

What do you think?


touch213 69M

8/28/2008 10:41 am

It's sad in this day and age, that success pursuit have become more important than childbirth, that. being popular and being special is more important than being a base of family creation. It's near pathetic that romantic pursuits are more important that loving relationships, that don't rely on the fanfare of "tingling thighs" and "stroked egos" .

women have in many parts lost the feelings of what it is to want to be a mother and some have lost the feeling of what it is to be a mother, and everyone is looking for a dream sequence that fits some delusion model of some cycle of seasonal TV fantasy.. and as a result .. men and women act like they are both aliens, both in search of more ego elation, than building something that is of life and progress life.. such as a family... everyone chases wealth, as if that is their measure, when most of the families that produce the prospering people, come from families that live and know that it is to struggle and work hard to build things, and those are the one's who take so little for granted..

society has become so much more vain, that it's like a mass of junkies, looking to each other for some quick fix.. to get a quick high.. or they curse each other like they are evil masters condemning the other to hell.. people live in ethnic bubbles, as if their ethnicity is better than another, and it's simply a bullshit game that is feeding and breeding just new levels of personal ignorance, and people make of themselves greater fools than even a fool making machine like the media had ever dreamed it could create..

and the simplicity remains the same, man or woman, you will need to eat and you will need to take a crap.. and your shit will stick, just like the next person.. and no one is crapping rose petals..

so what is the delusion and why the illusions, because in the scope of it all.. it's life, living and death..

now if some are with the grace of life enough to know, in the midist, they can bring forth offsprings, that add more to the world than any of their minor accomplishments of status chases or who's got the latest gadetry and how much they assume their ass is their prize, or for women that opening between their legs, or men, that part than hangs between his... is but the making of fools glory..

it's what you can bring forth in the contribution to the ongoing of society and the building of a world, and the greatest thing that can be brought forth in this world is the birth of a child..

any who have lost that realization.. never understood much beyond their own vanity in the first place.

the bible which some despise.. but it addresses everything that is of and within this world.. and it said. for man and woman to simply "Be "plentiful and multiply"

all these other things are merely fields of study, that contribute to helping care for people.. why some how people have put their stake of life in degrees and status and such stuff.. and they forget that the main purpose of such, was simply to aid mankind in having longevity in his life.. but the greatest glory will alway remain, the embrace of making babies and creating offspring's..

now in society women have become so blind to this, in lieu of vanity pursuits of any and every sort.. they are even lost to themselves other than what the next season of fashion or such can give her a temporary elation about... and they waste away the gifts of image and other things that are in her youth, chasing something that fades with the passing by of people.. and that's the ego rush of thinking their ass is the hottest ass on the planet, and soon as the next one walks by they are then questioning themselves, looking for another to come and validate the delusion..and that passes as quickly as the validator steps on past them and see the next ass.

people are more simplistic than they realize, and that is the demise of the integrity of the human model. there are no prizes, and what';s between peoples legs, means no more than the heat of the moment brings them to think it to be.. saving it like it's some rare prize, means nothing.. it ages just the same, and time will come and take that fertility away just the same.. it will not make one king nor queen, and it cannot control anything but the fool who tries to control other things with it.. they become controlled by their own organ, which they become foolish to the point it becomes to lead them more than their brain... and the mass of fools get's wider in the pool of being many..

and the birth rate declines.... by the ignorance of mankind.

if it was not for vanity, illusion and delusion.. no woman would ever reach the age of 25-30 without children... because life gives her the ability to reproduce even 10-13 years beyond reaching 25.. and they squander it, with many pursuits that can never give them the glory of what is a being a mother.. they are becoming but to themselves nothing more than squanders of their youth..
they are given appeal, and allure, that they are desirable even in appeal for what it contributes not just to the child but to the nature of relationship... and by the age they began to change in appeal, they should have by then, found out how to get off of ego, and make relationship built on the substance of the soul..

but they have lost the concept.. and instead chased a delusion, of vanities acclaim.. and all it does is bring her through the circle of doubts, every time she sees another with a different outfit or a different appeal... it's become such an obsessive drive, they even now chase other women like it's a badge of honor, to covet their own symbols of vanity.. and they call it love.. when they have become themselves even lost to what love actually is.. and their arrogance won't allow them to see the distinctions in their own fallacy. "haughitness"... becomes their goal..


touch213 69M

8/26/2008 12:05 pm

many of the so called Western Nations, and their claimed advanced thoughts about birth managment that started back in the late 70's.. is now proving to be it's own self defeating program..

for the past 30 years, it's been too much talk about birth rate containment, as if people are ignorant, and think they will live forever young..
many are now so status concerned and degree pursuit junkies, they forgot, that in order for any nation to stay current and have smooth transitioning generational spread, they have to produce babies..

this is where the pseudo elitism in many of these nations, cost it, in the terms of broad and wide generation gaps, that become their deficit in what is it's own nation..

people forget .. that without a constant birth rate, and even high points within birth generation, a nation will suffer in the long term..

but that again is part of what the gluttony is within the grooming of nations, a few want to grasp an hold, everything, rather than expand its ability to accommodate and make provision for the next generation and the thought to consider the generations that make up the future..

there is so much in so many places that even make the thought of a growing family to be a negative... but if people think in terms of what is the basic of life and what are the necessities of a generalized standard.. rather than basing it on opulence and exaggerated greed spectrum.. then society would find that it would embrace the birth rate to increase..

Look at Germany, it's now making provision for expecting mothers, as a manner and program to inspire birth, to do what it can to take away the hardship image that has resulted to pose it with a challenge of an aging population.. they are making the turn far ahead of many other nations. but maybe in coming years, the tide will change, instead of women laying around chasing everything else, and waiting till they are in their mid to late 30's before they can think family.. the nations that have young mother in time will out strip the other nations, in having a better generations transition in their ranks.. tere are far too many women in many western nations, who have lost the value of what is mother hood, while they chase title and position and such things, and when any nation place such pursuits over the value of motherhood, it will loose. Many women don't want to grow up, they want to play the role of the pursued girl, far past the age that such stuff is a fancy ..

It's on a natural and nature and child bearing perspective, a very sad thing that women now care so little about it and care more about, all things other than.. until they get in their late 30's and then the madness of chasing it become their aim, and by then, the generation gap has already been established to be far too wide, for their to be smooth transition between generations.


Greatmojo4us2008 65M
9 posts
8/26/2008 9:27 am

..and Russia's population is shrinking fast too; plus it's the educated (and rich) ones that are leaving or who have already left and are controlling their assets from outside (like the South of France and London!).