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Race in America, An Example The Floods - New Orleans vs Iowa There's a big difference between the people of Iowa and New Orleans. (From Anon) Where are the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help in restoring Iowa and helping the folks affected by the floods? Where's the media asking the tough questions about why the federal government hasn't solved the problem? Asking where the FEMA trucks (and trailers) are? Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in Chicago and Minneapolis? When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees that failed in Des Moines? Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks? Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen television sets? When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a 'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it? Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of cannibalism? Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people? How come in 2 weeks, you will never hear about the Iowa flooding ever again? Where's Jessie and Al? |
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8/29/2008 9:04 pm |
The Floods - New Orleans vs Iowa There's a big difference between the people of Iowa and New Orleans. (From Anon) Where are the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help in restoring Iowa and helping the folks affected by the floods? Where's the media asking the tough questions about why the federal government hasn't solved the problem? Asking where the FEMA trucks (and trailers) are? Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in Chicago and Minneapolis? When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees that failed in Des Moines? Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks? Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen television sets? When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a 'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it? Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of cannibalism? Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people? How come in 2 weeks, you will never hear about the Iowa flooding ever again? Where's Jessie and Al? an odd summary of extracted comments, into a created context... may be a chosen hinderence unto seeing things with full depth and expansive clarity..
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8/29/2008 3:18 pm |
you sound like a person trying to equate a lemon with a grapefruit they may both have the appearance of being yellow, but they are dramatically different. the whole world knew what the situation was in New Orleans and the WHOLE world say what was the result of the decision not to do something.. it was not just black people, but poor, black and poor white.. " key word" POOR, UNDERSCORE THE CONTEXT, many of them were black.. you sould more like people who were fighting in the 60's saying, Oh' by the way, the federal law said, you could have freedom, but that does not mean you can still come in the restruant and expect the same service, and if you complain about poor service and being served last, then you are a racist.. whites had no reason to complain because they were being served, with a smile, and first .... you just don't get it...
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8/29/2008 3:06 pm |
you guys are funny... but >> I agree with cuddleboy... the loss of lives is a very terrible thing, and the loss of life because of callous handling by administrative process is even worst in the addition to a tragic matter. but if it's about "inequities" since we are talking about past things,.. Read about the great floods in Louisiana during the late 1927.. of the Mississippi River Flood. and when you read it, keep in mind, that slavery was suppose to have been outlawed 64-65 years earlier.. now that's a story you should get a great deal of grasp about how slow progress is..and how much and how dominating the nature of life carried forth even, even after the legal abolition of enslavement and the mindset that supported it, was claimed to be federal law, "but not in Louisiana, as the details of it depicts, during that great flood and what was done to people".... and when you finish reading that, then contrast it.. with the Katrina, debacle of negligence.. and watch the similarities of disregard... and the strange things is .. we are suppose to be in the 21st century.. but what it shows.. is that much work is left to be done.. and mindset to be changed to truly regard what is equality of the human being. As to the comment in the original post about the Trailers, they were full of formaldehyde, and the toxicity level, was known before they even gave the trailers to the people, and they had to take them back, and had groves of them parked in Arkansas and other locations, with no concept of what to do with them, and last year they tried to sell many of them off for pennies on the dollar.. some of them were so bad, they could not even give them away.. and there is still a massive amount of them sitting that the government can't figure what to do with them, but they still pay to store them..
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8/29/2008 8:22 am |
Yes I agree the dollar losses are similar, that wasn't my point (the only reason I said that was because I agreed on that point). My point is the losses of human life (for whatever reasons) are not the same at all. Loss of (American) human life is covered more by the media. Certainly the situation in New Orleans was more sensational than just a field covered by water. From what you write I understand that for you the loss of human life is irrelevant and all that matters is the property damage? Is that correct? The difference in coverage is not a race issue. The loss of 2,000 lives deserves more coverage than the loss of 50 lives. Additionally the ways some of them were lost were sensational and could have been avoided if the government had acted differently ... hence the "outrage".
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8/29/2008 8:15 am |
Yes I agree the dollar losses are similar, that wasn't my point (the only reason I said that was because I agreed on that point). My point is the losses of human life (for whatever reasons) are not the same at all. Loss of (American) human life is covered more by the media. Certainly the situation in New Orleans was more sensational than just a field covered by water. From what you write I understand that for you the loss of human life is irrelevant and all that matters is the property damage? Is that correct?
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8/28/2008 5:22 pm |
there are many whites who are not the ways of the old, who themselves are fighting their own fight not to be seen as their historic make up displayed.. but the trip is.. many people are just the first generation out of the demise of Jim Crow parents.. and some have segments of their families that still hold to such things by many threads... that has been shown continually by and through this campaign, and other events,.. including Katrina.. and other stuff.
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8/28/2008 5:20 pm |
you posted something once about nearly being forced into sex.. but think about it.. the history of the nation when the bias was most dominant, white males could have black, asian and any other woman, at whim and want, because they had the dominance sense of feeling entitled.. and it is not way that the guy would not find it difficult that you being asian would have the audacity to reject his advances.. when you wittiness that, rather than see it in the full spectrum, instead, you chose the options of attaching the mindset to all males, rather than to put it into perspective.. and that was not a reasonable choice of options for you, because it would then mean.. to see the nature of bias at the root.. which would crash your bubble of seeking idenity and measurment by the standards of what is the model of the white model which this society seeks to push or pull any and all people to mold themselves to, to consider themselves validated.. so the easy thing to do .. was to develop your paranoia about men, rather than to put things in perspective to understand what actually happened and some of the reasoning that goes into it. not all white males are that way.. but you have to first understand the mindset that dominated the landscape for a vast period of time... but that might be a bit to face .. because it means facing a lot of other things as well. but the only way people grow is to face the strip down version.. of what exist and what must be over come as people... go back and look at World War II.. there were Asian women flocking to white males like they were gods, and this did not just fade into obscurity... and even today there are sectors, that still have that china doll delusion, the novelty delusions, the exotic ornament delusions, and such stuff... some of the women in the sites have made various comments that reference such... and they now stand in ways to say.. nope they are not.. as such.. When I was in HKG some years ago, some of the women wanted nothing but white guys, and it's logical, because the British ruled so long, that their sense of measure was based on how they identified to British standards... some were so in pursuit of that, they were even prejudice against other Chinese who adhered to their more Chinese cultural roots.. and they were called backwards and etc.. to the point that some in HKG, did not like people from Mainland china, and considered them uncultured because they did not aspire to British standards.. it's sad when people don't even know why they are as they are, nor what is the basis of how they became to be how they are.. Even in Thailand, some of the women like black males, because as I was told by many of them, they feel some of the white males take them for granted, and feel entitled to have them and treat them any way they want to .. as one girl put it, that some of the european guys, the first thing he does is grab their head and push it between his legs.. and they hated that with a passion.. and they'd rip off the white guys without a second thought because they felt they were really not regarded as anything but a vacation toy... but this is how racism spread around the world.. with that unbridled sense of entitlment.. and now the world in all regions.. are more against that than anything, they don't yeild to it anymore... early American Indians rebels early.. some would not even deal or negotiate with the white male.. and the white male in some sectors, even used the slaves to deal with the Indians because the Indian was more willing to deal with the slave than the white male.. people don't think deep enough to see the depth of the madness that racism created from the institution of slavery and the mindset that supported the mindset to engage slavery in the first place..and the mindset to fight giving up any inch of that sense of entitlment. there's much to learn before any depth of the conversation can deal with the details of the matter in the expanse of what it is..
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8/28/2008 5:01 pm |
it's a transition that is ongoing, in a society, that one segment felt entitled and another segment, was without entitlements.. and to relenquish the mindset of first entitlment, to a model of equally, some feel like they have to give up something they don't want to give up, and that's "first entitlment" and to have to face equality, that never existed.. each phase of the expected entitlment, that has to be relinquished in favor of equality... is not something people are willing to give up.. but still claim the want of equality.. so they think someone else wants something for nothing, because they no longer have the first entitlment rights to what ever it is.. so to those who feel first entitlment.. it's always going to be looked at of the group who is asking for EQUAL entitlment rights.. as if that groups wants to take something for nothing.. the models of the 60's showed this in clear terms.. the massive fight to even open up access to estabilshments based on equality, some fought it like mad dogs, because they wanted to retain entitlment to access, with the exclusion of others, and still they wanted to retain first entitlment to accesss, even if they had to open it to accessibility to others.. first people have to be willing to look into racism and what of entitlment that it was built upon, and how that is not desired to be relinquished for equality of accessibility in equal.. and it's without a doubt, that any who stand and pursue that equality of accessibility and equal entitlment will be fought and labeled and name called... as has been every black leader who has ever spoke out and up for accessibility and equal entitlment to accessibility. the civil war should have taught people what this was long ago but it did not.. the south did not want to give up it's sense of feeling entitled to have free labor and the rights to be dominant over others, and when they had to face up to the fact of No slavery.. they refused to pay equal wages for the expected labor they wanted, and in lieu of such, they choose to let the plantation fail, than to pay for the labor so that other's would have equality in earning and entitlment of equality to engage the model of commerce.. and this struggle continues, not just among blacks and whites, but even on a golbal scale of how some countries that were once considered third world, that the western countries felt entitled to take them over or tell them how they should be, what they could and could not do, and how they were to be treated and not treated .. This example was the same when the British felt they could do such to India, and Ghandi fought it, it 's the same when the Chinese fought for their claim of equality and independences and equality in sense of entitlment of equal accessibility in life and living.. but here.. all people can assume is that blacks want something for nothing.. but they don't think deep enough to see or know.. that whites were the ones who wanted something for nothing, which is how and why they sought to have slaves, so they could get the fruits of what labor produce without themselves putting in the labor.. they wanted something for nothing, at the expense of others, and fought fierce by every means to try and keep that system in place.. and when they could not .. they wanted segregation, but still wanted the black labor as cheap as they could get it, but not to give them accessibility to the same things they felt entitled to, they don't and did not want equal entitlment because they don't want to see people as equal,... so nope,... they don't understand the struggles of blacks nor what the issues are that blacks challenges.. how could they , they've alway had the open sense of entitlment.. they don't know what it is to fight for equal entitlment.. they never had to. people think shallow, and see less, because they can only see themselves and can't see beyond... but the minute that something become open access to blacks and whites, they value it less and support it less.. because they are not willing to accept equality in entitlment.. and any point they have to address it, they see it as a loss, rather than reaching a balance in the sense of entitlment mindset.. so they fight, they slander and they defame and name call.. it's almost as silly as the obscure imagery of it is.. it's like ( in a humorous way of saying ).. straight hair against none straight hair.. as if it's noted any race that has straight hair, the equality spectrum is opened first to them ..to enjoy accessibility.. Even during Jim Crowe, the Asian was allowed to sit ahead of the blacks and could sit in the white section, but at the back of the white section.. but always ahead of black.. and that is the same in the business models.. and Asian don't see it.. because they choose not to see it.. but that is how the models were laid out.. and in the pursuit of idenity assimilations, even though the asian was discriminated they had a higher level of acceptability by image, so they becomes in some parts to adopt the prejudice mindset and some even became more prejudice than the whites they were seeking to assimilate and gain and pursue acceptance from.. int eh pursuit of acceptance they chose to overtly show as much racism toward blacks as possible to be more acceptable to the whites in their pursuits of validation by whites.. they did not stand front line in the civil right fights, because they had a semi protected middle position, which benefited them by not showing a stand... so they posed no threat.. to the pursuit of equality in entitlment.. and accessibility... whites would and still will patronize a Asian business before they will patronize a black business.. it's so much people don't know, because to face knowing is a challenge they don't want to face.. because it reveals things that are not flattering... but .. the poorer Asian.. have a much different understanding... I had a dark skinned Cambodian neighbor, and he talked about the discrimination that he got not just from whites, but from lighter skinned asian mostly who were Chinese and Japanese.. but there was a time that Japanese was favored over Chinese, and chinese was looked at as the lower rank.. then the Koreans were looked at as lower than the chinese.. but now that the Chinese have money.. they are viewed different.. but In the Ivy league sectors.. many white guys may date asia women in college.. but their family let them know, that when they are throught playing around, get them a so called blue blood white girl and settle down.. and that has been a rude awakening to many Asian who thought themselves equal in college.. to find the real world showed them that the differences stand.. in the upper ranks of the Ivy League ... and even in corporate America.. you don't see that many Asian holding CEO position lest they either created the company or sold it and retained some options to be in leadership.. realism dawns on some..but there are some it escapes.. and the women may find more interest in them for the sake of woman, novelty, or as so called exotic. but they won't find when they enter those groups, Asian men embraced the same.. and that should tell them something but it does not.. We as a people have a lot of work to do as people... biases are many, bigotry is plenty, and the struggles of life is challenged with this madness.. that was embraced for hundreds of years.. is not going to vanish in a mere less than 50 years... and this is the spectrum that the USA is faced with.. no matter how it seeks to deny it, it has to recognize what it needs to overcome, before it can face it to overcome it.. but denials are rampant.
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8/27/2008 3:01 pm |
Crop damage does not have the same human impact as lost houses and lives. According to what I searched (I'm getting the information from Wikepedia) the 1993 Mississippi flood was the worst, and it's official death toll was 32. The death toll from Katrina was at least 1,836. Also many of those deaths could have been avoided if there had been a more timely government response. Even if you only care about the economic impact, the estimate for the 1993 flood was 32-50 billion in damages, and for Katrina was 81.2 billion. Admitedly these are in the same ballpark, however the losses of life (32 compared to 1,836) are not. I don't have information about loss of ressidence, but presumable the losses in Katrina would again be incompareable to those from the 1993 flood. (I would guess most of the monetary damage came from crop losses ... so you could also claim that a plague of locusts is a more serious disaster than a hurricane ...) You could also compare Katrina to other disasters and the scale of the response. In terms of cost and deaths Katrina is a World Trade Center level disaster. The deaths from the floods don't even add up to one day of collateral damage to children in Iraq or Afganistan.
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8/27/2008 2:04 pm |
I think "Black" politics has a lot to do with it and the fact that a lot of "White" politicans are more afraid of the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons branding them as racists if they refuse to help the Black community. VICKY Not a racist just stating an observation of fact
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