Reset Password
Reset Link Sent
| Blogs > waanjai2008 > Waanjai2005 |
|
World Visa Issues Why does the world have different Visa rules for different nationals? Why is a European/American citizen allowed to travel anywhere in the world without going for a visa interview? Why is Asian/Oriental cultures forced to apply for visas to go to a western country? I think the problem goes alot deeper then restricting the freedom of choice. |
|||
1/16/2008 2:54 pm |
Many Thanks Tempest, I left the debate open and wanted somebody to contribute the reply that you have exactly written. I agree, WHY are women travelling alone deemed to be of "suspect of not good character". when you have a european males travel to some countries that allow sex tourism, so why is it easier for them do travel witout the back ground checks on any criminal records that they may have against them !! Do you think it is a sexist draconian idea just like the idea that we used to be "THE BRITISH EMPIRE who ruled the world so do as we say or else mentality" now a good question from this .. will be !!.. with the proposed immigration reforms will these matter relative to women be discussed and also relative to the proclivities of men to leave offspring's in foreign lands, unacknowledged and unsupported.
| ||
1/16/2008 8:38 am |
In the USA for the longest time no Asian woman was allowed to immigrate to the USA just the Asian man but that changed after 1945 because lots of US military mans marry foreign women to bringing home their War Brides so then is ok for Asian woman to travel to USA only if she is married. there were many other elements that sprang within that also.. it was even a law passed that Chinese could not use opium, but it was still allowed in parts of white society.. the panic mode came when the many white females were flocking to the Asian Opium dens.. and that became a problem that the whites would not deal with so they imposed that ban on Asian as well. (from i-net) The ordinance was aimed specifically at Chinese smoking opium, not at the medicinal opium regularly consumed by whites. The Chinese had brought smoking opium with them in the earliest days of the gold rush. The habit caused little offense at first, until anti-Chinese sentiment swept the state in the mid-1870s. The city fathers were particularly incensed to find "that there are within three blocks of the City Hall eight opium smoking establishments, kept by Chinese, for the exclusive use of white men and women; that these places are patronized not only by the vicious and depraved, but are nightly resorted to by young men and women of respectable parentage; (and) that unless this most dangerous species of dissipation can be stopped in its inception, there is great danger that it will become one of the prevalent vices of the city." Other towns with Chinese communities quickly followed suit: Virginia City, Sacramento, Stockton, Oakland. In 1881, the legislature enacted a statewide ban of its own. In defense of the measure, State Sen. Grove Johnson (father of the reform governor, Hiram Johnson) re-assured lawmakers that it was as much anti-Chinese legislation as anything else they had passed. Despite widespread antipathy to the dens, the scope of the laws was surprisingly modest. Only public sales, not private use, were restricted. In the Victorian era, it was widely assumed that the law could not prevent folks from using drugs in private. " To prohibit vice is not ordinarily considered within the police power of the state," asserted the state Supreme Court in an 1887 opium case (In re Sic), "The object of the police power is to protect rights from the assaults of others, not to banish sin from the world or make men moral." The effect of the law was not to eliminate the dens, but rather force them underground. A group of Chinese smoking together might easily evade the law so long as whites were not present (in which case, of course, the gathering would presumably be non-private). The dens continued as a vice industry and source of graft for the rest of the century. There were said to be 3 - 4,000 white and 10 - 15,000 Chinese habitués in the city in the mid-1880s. A list of known dens was published in the San Francisco Municipal Register. They even became a featured attraction on Chinatown tours, where sinister-looking Orientals were hired to stage fake scenes of turpitude for the titillation of tourists ( end quote ) Look at : Immigration and income security policies in Canada and a book : The Qualities of a Citizen traces the application of U.S. immigration and naturalization law to women from the 1870s to the late 1960s. Like no other book before, it explores how racialized, gendered, and historical anxieties shaped our current understandings of the histories of immigrant women. The book takes us from the first federal immigration restrictions against Asian prostitutes in the 1870s to the immigration "reform" measures of the late 1960s. Throughout this period, topics such as morality, family, marriage, poverty, and nationality structured historical debates over women's immigration and citizenship. At the border, women immigrants, immigration officials, social service providers, and federal judges argued the grounds on which women would be included within the nation. As interview transcripts and court documents reveal, when, where, and how women were welcomed into the country depended on their racial status, their roles in the family, and their work skills. Gender and race mattered. The book emphasizes the comparative nature of racial ideologies in which the inclusion of one group often came with the exclusion of another. It explores how U.S. officials insisted on the link between race and gender in understanding America's peculiar brand of nationalism. It also serves as a social history of the law, detailing women's experiences and strategies, successes and failures, to belong to the nation. Martha Gardner is Assistant Professor of History at DePaul University.
| ||
1/16/2008 8:19 am |
because they are from the nations that people seek to get to.. of having high income, higher standard of living and the economic model of British and US is.. the purported standard that many aspire to.. so they are presumed to have more reason to come back to their original home land than to have incentive to move to a foreign locality. it's economics and the world order of how nations are considered on the economic models of world societies. but even with a visa there are requirments to the US and British if they want to say some place.. it is first and foremost.. check your medical standing.. then say for example.. thailand.. if I want to retire there.. I first have to deposit 20K USD in their bank, then I have to prove to them I have sustainable income of at least $800-1200 USD a month... so as not to become a burden to the state and nations of the country of Thailand.. and IF I want to establish a business there, then I have to have XXXX$$$$.. based on what of business I choose to establish.. and in some categories it may require that the business is 51% Thail owned.. The US however has different program.. and that's more managed access period.. and the element of skill set become the replacement for money.. and that is a fight that MS is waging now to try and get more tech skills from India.. and they can't get it with the ease they want.. because the overall immigration program supercedes the technology draw motive that MS is pursuing. if you noted.. when Japan was dominating the economic spctrum it was easier for them to come to the US.. because their investments were great and they could move people under the employment agreemnts that companies have when they make a substantial investment in the US and bring their supporting personell.. and that transitioned to make it even easier for more to travel on vacation.. but you can be assured that beneath that was the focus on what may come later of investment motives once the exposure to what is america is seen and carried back.. As Tem Pest, said.. if you look at any nation of poor people.. it becomes even hard for them to get political refugee status.. many Haitian have been sent back and many others from various places.. and the deportation process is backlogged.. because they can only deport so many in a given time frame... try to get a woman from any country to another.. you will need to do a massive amount of work..so there is a disparity of what a woman faces .. as Tem Pest said.. again.. it's big question surrounding a single woman traveling ... to countries that are more economic prosperous than the one she is from..
| ||
1/16/2008 8:06 am |
As for Asian woman it has always been that way because of the fear that somehow Asian women because they look different then western women are exotic and erotic at the same time and a threat to western women. in one post you ask why do America look at Asian women as hot or such.. but here you address it from a stance to say Asian women look exotic and erotic?? now surely you see a contradiction in that as it relates to your other posted question.. and the matter may concern the fact not so much that it is or it is not the case.. but the matter of if you feel that way.. then why challenge the notion of Americas seeing such by their choice of term to say< "hot" as it's directly relative to "erotic".. so which is your stance on the matter? and way does it differ...at points of discussionable reference. I don't think it's a matter of a threat factor.. it's more a matter of what the same problems are that exist in other countries when it comes to women moving from one location to another into the US.. people of their nation as well as the nation they seek to go to.. is the base fact that a woman.. can come to nation and get pregnant, and have a child and by the right of that child seek to have naturalized status as a citizen of that locality, thus circumventing by such means the transition of immigration by the claim of a naturalized baby born on the soil of another country. they can too seek by marriage to gain immigration status.. and women are required to a far higher degree to provide employment record and many other things that denote their reason to return to their home land.. it's much more intricate and has very little if any at all to do with their look or the implied eroticism, because eroticism is such a subjective relevancy unto individuals perceptions. Remember there are men in places that prefer their women big, as the size of some women in some countries.. and many that still do not go outside their ethnic make up to mate and relate or marry... so those points don't convey the relevancy to the nature of visa requirements.
| ||
1/16/2008 1:25 am |
I have a USA passport and I still need a visa to travel any place in the world. And even if I don't need a visa it is still best to get one anyway just in case you decide to stay a little longer cause they get upset if you do. But you know some visa is good for many years so I have mine for France, Italy, UK, Canada, and China cause I have to travel there for the family business. As for Asian woman it has always been that way because of the fear that somehow Asian women because they look different then western women are exotic and erotic at the same time and a threat to western women. In the USA for the longest time no Asian woman was allowed to immigrate to the USA just the Asian man but that changed after 1945 because lots of US military mans marry foreign women to bringing home their War Brides so then is ok for Asian woman to travel to USA only if she is married.
| ||
1/12/2008 11:04 am |
Many Thanks Tempest, I left the debate open and wanted somebody to contribute the reply that you have exactly written. I agree, WHY are women travelling alone deemed to be of "suspect of not good character". when you have a european males travel to some countries that allow sex tourism, so why is it easier for them do travel witout the back ground checks on any criminal records that they may have against them !! Do you think it is a sexist draconian idea just like the idea that we used to be "THE BRITISH EMPIRE who ruled the world so do as we say or else mentality"
| ||
1/12/2008 7:54 am |
No Not rude or insolent !! It seems that western countries look at Asian/Oriental woman more with a critical eye when applying for visas. If a Western female was asked to go through the same visa process they would scream about infringments of human rights !! So what is the difference between what is asked of a western woman and a Asian/oriental woman. I think deep down western countries are more racist towards non western countries
| ||
|
Good question. I dont know the answer. I know this, i have a Dutch passport and traveling to Australia does requires a visa.
|
