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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
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3081 posts
9/9/2008 10:41 am
I restore myself when I am alone


I read [post 163712] and [post 163640] from two of my favorite bloggers and the comments added about being alone.

The first time I saw her I was walking home from school and saw her standing over an iron grate and her dress floating almost above her waist with just a hint of what lies beneath. Of course, that was a poster hanging inside a window. The title of this post is a quote from her.

She is an iconic reminder of what people thought beauty and sexy was from the 1950s. She is also representative of what happens when one is full of self-doubt about her talent and turns to drugs and alcohol to escape her own self-perceived failings.

She died in 1962, but interest in her life and her story continues in popular culture and in feminist studies. She was born Norma Jean Mortensen in 1926, starred in many popular films, married Arthur Miller and Joe DiMaggio, and died of an overdose of barbiturates.

From the eulogy by Lee Strasberg, “She had a luminous quality -- a combination of wistfulness, radiance, yearning, that set her apart and yet made everyone wish to be part of it, to share in the childlike naïvete which was at once so shy and yet so vibrant....In her lifetime she created a myth of what a poor girl from a deprived background could attain. For the entire world, she became a symbol of the eternal feminine.”

Her ex-husband, Arthur Miller, said, “To have survived, she would have had to be either more cynical or even further from reality than she was. Instead, she was a poet on a street corner trying to recite to a crowd pulling at her clothes. “

Maybe she played a "dumb blond," however; she does not sound like one to me.

• 1956 interview about her childhood: Looking back, I guess I used to play-act all the time. For one thing, it meant I could live in a more interesting world than the one around me.

• A career is wonderful thing, but you can't snuggle up to it on a cold night.

• Creativity has got to start with humanity and when you're a human being, you feel, you suffer.

• Everyone's just laughing at me. I hate it. Big breasts, big ass, big deal, Can't I be anything else? Gee, how long can you be sexy?

• Goethe said, 'Talent is developed in privacy,' you know? And it's really true. There is a need for aloneness which I don't think most people realize for an actor. It's almost having certain kinds of secrets for yourself that you'll let the whole world in on only for a moment, when you're acting.

• Husbands are chiefly good as lovers when they are betraying their wives.

• I am invariably late for appointments ... sometimes, as much as two hours. I've tried to change my ways but the things that make me late are too strong, and too pleasing.

• I love to do the things the censors won't pass.

• I'm for the individual as opposed to the corporation. The way it is the individual is the underdog, and with all the things a corporation has going for them the individual comes out banged on her head. The artist is nothing. It's really tragic.

• In Hollywood a girl's virtue is much less important than her hairdo. You're judged by how you look, not by what you are. Hollywood's a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for kiss, and fifty cents for your soul. I know, because I turned down the first offer often enough and held out for the fifty.

• It's better for the whole world to know you, even as a sex star, than never to be known at all.

• It's better to be unhappy alone than unhappy with someone.

• It's woman's spirit and mood a man has to stimulate in order to make sex interesting. The real lover is the man who can thrill you by touching your head or smiling into your eyes or just staring into space.

• Men who think that a woman's past love affairs lessen her love for them are usually stupid and weak. A woman can bring a new love to each man she loves, providing there are not too many.

• People had a habit of looking at me as if I were some kind of mirror instead of a person. They didn't see me, they saw their own lewd thoughts, then they white-masked themselves by calling me the lewd one.

• People respect you because they feel you've survived hard times and endured, and although you've become famous, you haven't become phony.

• That's the trouble, a sex symbol becomes a thing. But if I'm going to be a symbol of something, I'd rather have it sex than some other things we've got symbols of.

• What good is it being Marilyn Monroe? Why can't I just be an ordinary woman? A woman who can have a family...I'd settle for just one baby. My own baby.

VICKY
thanking microsoft for its grammar checking program

touch213 69M

9/9/2008 9:16 pm

sorry my post listed two times..


touch213 69M

9/9/2008 9:15 pm

It's woman's spirit and mood a man has to stimulate in order to make sex interesting. The real lover is the man who can thrill you by touching your head or smiling into your eyes or just staring into space.

she needs to stimulate her own mood, and if she has her own natural motivated appreciation of him, as she EXPECTS him to have about her.. then ... she won't be waiting on him to push some illusion of a button.

she will be reaching to touch him, just as he reaches to touch her.. and they will be 'SHARING"... the invigoration of and with and unto each other.

too many are sitting around waiting on stars and sparkles to surround her... and .. sparks are made by "two things" creating frictional interaction with each other.. and the more both parts are moving to make that frictional interactions.. the bigger the sparks are for both of them...

sx.. is not designed.. as some one sided trip.. as if a man is suppose to spend everything of energy just to give her sparkles in her mind, she should get enough grip on herself.. to give equally, what she expects to get..

that's why so many lay there .. and result to be disappointed, they disappoint themselves.. by their doing nothing but .. expecting something to be done by someone else..

life is .. INTERACTIVE... and people only find their highest level of satisfaction when they give and interact with their own gusto in effort to put forth expression.

that's why two women jump out of bed, claiming they are thrilled.. because they BOTH .. give .. uninhibitedly and expressively.. but they jump in bed with a man.. with a mind full of expectations, and laying there waiting on something to happen with some lackluster response, and non.. self motivated expressions... and then .. they want to blame the dis-satisfaction they get on a man.. because .. they don't think they have a responsibility to do anything but receive... and then .. they spend more time judging it.. than enjoying it.. even while they don't do anything.. because far great number of women, think their mere presence and being undressed is all they have to do.. and lay there expecting a man to turn them into a roman candle.. and they are far too vain.. many of them, to stop for a minute and look at herself and realize she is doing nothing, but expecting and judging.. and not any kind of self motivated, self inspired.. sharing or expressing.. but to face the truth of such.. woman will come up with anything... to avoid acknowledging that simple realism...

she controls her own spirit and her own mood... but many throw that challenge to a man.. to rock their world... and then turn around and complain about his macho actions.. when she played the feminine do nothing role but show up and wait for him to act like the master dominator... and later she is complaining about him being expressive of his masculinity.. as if he is suppose to turn it on and off.. at her expectations whim... and do for her what she will not do for herself.. and that's express herself.. with her own self motivated enthusiasm..

that's probably why men soon leave the women who do nothing, and is easily pulled away by the women who are "interactively expressive".. and the wife is at home.. still tripping about "waiting on him, to not only be the initiator but the performer as well, while she lay there thinking herself as only the receiver with a judgment mentality.

then they wonder.. why does he like Porn.. as if they can't think!!
it's so simply .. one would have to have a head thick as a brick wall not to know why..

"he likes it because he sees women being proactive.. and expressively interactively self assertive"..

It's the same thing, he looks for when he goes to a hooker.. because they are self expressive and interactively engaging, and they are engaging with motivated efforts to engage..

that's why the woman on the side, can take the man away..." because when they get in the bed.. that woman.. shows that she wants him, rather than just laying there, waiting on him to swoon all over her, while she just lays there and soak it up and rate and judge it"..

I lived with a woman, and I told her.. when I'm in bed.. don't lay there always waiting on me to start stuff.. just as much as you want me to show you that I want you.. then you have best learn some two way living.. and show me that you want me as much, but learning how to initiate stuff.. and do stuff as if you got your own motivation about wanting to do it..

it's so silly.. that over all the years.. women seem as if that's the hardest thing in the world for them to understand.. because they are always thinking about themselves and what someone is giving them..till they half the time. don't even consider they are not giving anything.. and then thinking their presence is all that is required..and if they raise a hand to do anything.. they want to be praised till the end of time about it..

some are so busy trying to jerk a man off.. they don't have the mind to think about sensitivity.. but when he touches her.. suddenly.. she knows everything in the world about sensitivity when it's time for her to receive... it's like the most pathetic situation in the world.. but women are so quick to talk about sharing.. and they are the least likely to do any of it... expressively and self assertively.. with a interest and intent to do so.. and then they become void of any concept of how to apply sensitivity in doing so..

people simply need to think.. about more than what they want, and what they expect.. when it's a man and a woman in bed...

the average woman would be thrilled as she desires with a man.. if she got in the bed, and banged and played with him, with the same gusto, she'd do when she craws in with another woman.. or .. give as much as she fantasizes about getting, with the same passion she is laying there expecting to be shown to her.. if she figures out how to show the same in her expression... she's not be tripping about being unfilled..

"life is ALWAYS .. an interaction function... and the more involved one is in expressing their interactivity... the more satisfying the result is..

If women learn that... they won't have to worry about their man leaving them... and no matter even if he got some outside the home, he's still head back home...

but truth is.. men get tired of Bullcrap.. of being expected to pay for stuff, take her here, take her there, do this and do that, and then when he gets to the bed, it's again a whole new set of expectations... after a while.. he just get to the point.. "to hell with this"'... it's better to go find someone that does expressive stuff in the bed to show him, that he is wanted, he is desired.. more than just being there.. and laying back an receiving.. he wants to receive the same thing he is continually expected to give..IN BED.. and women.. play that no doing game, and only will give appeasement efforts, after she gets something she bargain for, the rest of the time, she is laying there expecting to have her world rocked... if she want to keep a man.. she better learn how to do some world rocking.
and it has nothing to do with flipping around like a fish out water.. it has to do ..with a woman giving as if she enjoys and is delighted to do so, and is not in a hurry.. and trying to expect him to blow off like a rocket.. just because she touched him.. women claim they know so much about what sex is suppose to be.. but they don't know anything. they think soon as she touches him, he should be hard a piece of blue steel.. and she has no sense of mind, to know how to enjoy playing with him. when he's semi hard and continuing to do so with basic appreciation of simply playing with him... all they can think is.. of themselves.. "thinking I'm so much of this or that, she busy thinking, in her self vanity.. that he should be hard even if she just look at him"... but you touch them, suddenly she knows everything about a flow of feeling..

but if she had the mind to engage logic.. what if he expected her to be flowing like a faucet "every minute" that he touches her.. then she'd realize that's not even normal nor natural... but she sure understand about herself, how good the feeling is.. when she is not flowing like a faucet.. and sometimes it's just as good, in a different dimension.. because it's more relaxed and soothing... and she can want it for a long time.. but she can't understand darn thing about the concept when it comes to her giving, and relaxing and appreciating the flow of patience in the actions of giving...

and the first thing out her mouth is.. why isn't it coming,( as if her vanity makes her think her touch, should make him explode) and when it does not, she get de-spiried, and claim I'm tired.. Hell no one ask her to act like she was trying to jerk a limb out of a tree.. if she had the sense to stop and learn the patience of giving, as much as she craves the patience of receiving, she'd be saying.. thank goodness it did not come quick.. because she'd be enjoying just the simple fact of playing with it.. but she never once in her life .. stopped to think, maybe the role of the woman, is to slow it down and prolong it and take on the challenge to learn how to make it last for him... because any woman can make him come.. but it takes a woman who knows how to appreciate a man.. to learn how to make it last... but that's like a foreign concept to the average woman.. and the woman who learn how to make it last with passion and the flow of passion and passion intermingled to know how to variate thru the flow... is the woman.. who gets to feel the depth of his passion.. but most are too self consumed to even fathom that concept.

too many men are just so happy she cut the bull-crap and got out of her panties.. that he gets so elated, that he don't stop to realize that she is not doing anything... but as time goes on.. in the relation.. it dawns on him.. but many of them don't know how to tell her..and she;s too busy tripping on herself and her expectations.. that she is oblivious to the realty that she has not done a darn thing..but expect and expects and judge and rate and expect more.

that's why the passion dies so quickly.. and even now days .. relation fall apart even quicker, because now women are more vain than ever, and expect more as time goes on.. and it's sad.. it seem the older they get, they'd learn.. but it seem the opposite happens, the older they get the more oblivious they become.. because their habit of expecting is so ingrained.. they can't think about anything but themselves... to the point.. they even resent him.. not being motivated to give her even more... when actually by that time, he's tired of working like a machine.. and she's still has not done a darn thing from self motivation, self inspiration, self aroused passion about him, or for him or expressed any unto him IN BED... and then she wants to talk about some emotionalism she feels outside the bed about him.( as if that is suppose to be some compensating illusion.. .. if she actually believes she feels that.. then show it in the bed.. and shut up about it.. but for her.. I say the same thing she understand well when it's her turn... " she is quick to think and say..
Action speaks louder than words.. so if she can utter it.. then she ought to know how to do and express it... unto him equally the same IN Bed

she figures, well I cooked him a good dinner, he should rock my boat tonight.. hell no... you need to rock his boat too.. or why not think, I cooked a good dinner.. and I'm also going to rock his boat tonight..and she might find out both boats are rocking like a sea storm hit both of them.. " women simply need to think beyond their own selfish consumption and expectations mindset".. and they may actually learn something.. about how to appreciate a man.. rather than always trying to tell him .. how he should appreciate her..

a person could probably video tape her.. and show it back to her.. and she'd not realize she did not do anything, she'd be sitting there admiring herself... and rating and judging what she expected him to do at this moment or that moment.. it would never dawn on her to look at the fact that she is not giving anything of expressing or self engaging expression to invigorate him by the use of her appendages and what ever other that could be used. all she be thinking is, at this instance he should have did this, or I wish he had did that.. and it would not dawn on her.. how self consumed her viewing was.. and she's finish watching the tape and not learn a thing, other than walking away... pissed about what more she expected..

now.. I know.. rather than women learn anything from this, their first though will be.. F him, he's this or that... and a whole bunch of being agitated because I wrote it...

rather than get over herself.. and read and learn...

Sadly.. many woman can't love anyone.. because they think it has to always be about themselevs... and many of them stay by themselves, because they can't bear the thought .. they may have to spend a minute to think about anyone beyond herself.. and they get so wrapped up in it, till to them they are always busy.. because they can't get enough of anything for themselves... till they don't even have time to share or even think about sharing anything.. because it's always all about them..and the slightest bit of anything they give.. it's like a stingy person frowning about giving a bird a bread crump when she has a truck load of bread... and then she's looking for the bird to praise her like she just dropped for heaven.. but she never even though, the single bread crumb.. may have done absolutely nothing for the bird who has been hungry for weeks on end... she gloat and boast about the crumb she gave.. and wants to be patted on the back about it for the next three week... and the darn bird died of starvation, while the bread sat in the truck and grew molds all over it..

yep... reality is a things many find many ways to avoid...and will spend a lifetime creating ways and illusions to avoid it..


touch213 69M

9/9/2008 8:15 pm

It's woman's spirit and mood a man has to stimulate in order to make sex interesting. The real lover is the man who can thrill you by touching your head or smiling into your eyes or just staring into space.

she needs to stimulate her own mood, and if she has her own natural motivated appreciation of him, as she EXPECTS him to have about her.. then ... she won't be waiting on him to push some illusion of a button.

she will be reaching to touch him, just as he reaches to touch her.. and they will be 'SHARING"... the invigoration of and with and unto each other.

too many are sitting around waiting on stars and sparkles to surround her... and .. sparks are made by "two things" creating frictional interaction with each other.. and the more both parts are moving to make that frictional interactions.. the bigger the sparks are for both of them...

sx.. is not designed.. as some one sided trip.. as if a man is suppose to spend everything of energy just to give her sparkles in her mind, she should get enough grip on herself.. to give equally, what she expects to get..

that's why so many lay there .. and result to be disappointed, they disappoint themselves.. by their doing nothing but .. expecting somthing to be done by someone else..

life is .. INTERACTIVE... and people only find their highest level of satisfaction when they give and interact with their own gusto in effort to put forth expression.

that's why two women jump out of bed, claiming they are thrilled.. because they BOTH .. give .. unhibitedly and expressively.. but they jump in bed with a man.. with a mind full of expectations, and laying there waiting on something to happen with some lackluster response, and non.. self motivated expressions... and then .. they want to blame the dis-satisfaction they get on a man.. because .. they don't think they have a responsibility to do anything but receive... and then .. they spend more time judging it.. than enjoying it.. even while they don't do anything.. because far great number of women, think their mere presence and being undressed is all they have to do.. and lay there expecting a man to turn them into a roman candle.. and they are far too vain.. many of them, to stop for a minute and look at herself and realize she is doing nothing, but expecting and judging.. and not any kind of self motivated, self inspired.. sharing or expressing.. but to face the truth of such.. woman will come up with anything... to avoid acknowledging that simple realism...

she controls her own spirit and her own mood... but many throw that challenge to a man.. to rock their world... and then turn around and complain about his macho actions.. when she played the feminine do nothing role but show up and wait for him to act like the master dominator... and later she is complaining about him being expressive of his masculinity.. as if he is suppose to turn it on and off.. at her expectations whim... and do for her what she will not do for herself.. and that's express herself.. with her own self motivated enthusiasm..

that's probably why men soon leave the women who do nothing, and is easily pulled away by the women who are "interactively expressive".. and the wife is at home.. still tripping about "waiting on him, to not only be the initiator but the performer as well, while she lay there thinking herself as only the receiver with a judgment mentality.

then they wonder.. why does he like Porn.. as if they can't think!!
it's so simply .. one would have to have a head thick as a brick wall not to know why..

"he likes it because he sees women being proactive.. and expressively interactively self assertive"..

It's the same thing, he looks for when he goes to a hooker.. because they are self expressive and interactively engaging, and they are engaging with motivated efforts to engage..

that's why the woman on the side, can take the man away..." because when they get in the bed.. that woman.. shows that she wants him, rather than just laying there, waiting on him to swoon all over her, while she just lays there and soak it up and rate and judge it"..

I lived with a woman, and I told her.. when I'm in bed.. don't lay there always waiting on me to start stuff.. just as much as you want me to show you that I want you.. then you have best learn some two way living.. and show me that you want me as much, but learning how to initiate stuff.. and do stuff as if you got your own motivation about wanting to do it..

it's so silly.. that over all the years.. women seem as if that's the hardest thing in the world for them to understand.. because they are always thinking about themselves and what someone is giving them..till they half the time. don't even consider they are not giving anything.. and then thinking their presence is all that is required..and if they raise a hand to do anything.. they want to be praised till the end of time about it..

some are so busy trying to jerk a man off.. they don't have the mind to think about sensitivity.. but when he touches her.. suddenly.. she knows everything in the world about sensitivity when it's time for her to receive... it's like the most pathetic situation in the world.. but women are so quick to talk about sharing.. and they are the least likely to do any of it... expressively and self assertively.. with a interest and intent to do so.. and then they become void of any concept of how to apply sensitivity in doing so..

people simply need to think.. about more than what they want, and what they expect.. when it's a man and a woman in bed...

the average woman would be thrilled as she desires with a man.. if she got in the bed, and banged and played with him, with the same gusto, she's do when she craws in with another woman.. or .. give as much as she fantasizes about getting, with the same passion she is laying there expecting to be shown to her.. if she figures out how to show the same in her expression... she's not be tripping about being unfilled..

"life is ALWAYS .. an interaction function... and the more involved one is in expressing their interactivity... they more satisfying the result is..


touch213 69M

9/9/2008 7:47 pm

she played it for what it was worth, and used it for what she chose to use it for, and then resented her choices.. and what they brought to her... but .. truth is.. she made the choice... and many others do the same... seeking popularity at any cost... and when the bill is due.. they cry .. "why me"..

and the sad things about it.. is what may be considered a good Star, also has become an icon, that has made a lot of women much less than the women who could have relied on integrity.. instead, they took the cheap route... the same as Marilyn did.... and the result are similar...

and much of the world.. chased that pursuit of trying to emulate the image.. never paying attention to what the cost were, they were caught up in the illusions, of image, face, butts and breast played .. and they generally got what they pursued.. and then they too, stand crying "why me"..

there's a billion or more shapely women on this earth, with pretty face, bulging breast, and tight butts.. and people walk past them every day.. because something about some of their character, is more detracting their the sexual emphasized presentations, they of many rely upon..

If someone presents themselves as a toy, then expected to be toyed with, ... that's how the basic simplicity of life is.. and she played right into the role.. even to the point she had to drug herself up to keep the role going, while knowing that she was smothering herself as a person.. but she prized fame and glamor of public popularity to the degree more than she did her integrity... that's what the basic of the matter is..

and since the 60's she joined a previous fad, that preceded her as being the symbol of pleasure and toy girl mentality and disposition.. and she is praised for it.. in more ways, than being considered for the pathway that she painted for many women.. who followed such imagery... and they resulted to cry too "why me".. and they are still doing it..

daily.. anyone can click on any sx web page, and find 100 girls a minutes, showing anything, anyone puts a camera close to them to shoot.. and most of them have the pretty face.. with as much butt exposed as if that is their prized possession...

years ago, society tried to pretend that it was men forcing them to do this, but time found out and showed.. they not only pursued to be presented as such.. daily.. there are millions, seeking out someone who will put what ever they want to expose on the internet, or any other medium they can get posted.. and the one's that can't there are many many many who set up their own web pages to display as much erotica as they can.. and they follow it up within any provocative commentary, they think will gain them popularity.. so to hear them crying.. "why me"... truth is.. because that's what they chose to do.

that's like many many pretty faced women who peddle themselves .. not because they have to or because they are forced to.. because they see that as an easy get over... and they go for it.. for the sake of the bucks.. and then when they get old.. and look burnt out, they come on TV.. talking about what a rough life they had and how they want sympathy and they spill their empathy seeking summations.. but while they were doing it.. when they were young, they thought themselves the hottest thing.. since and wooden stove.. and probably ran more scam on anyone who said hello and paused for 30 seconds..

things don't just happen.. people make choices..