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China announces major economic and social reforms China released a raft of detailed reform plans on Friday, promising sweeping changes to the economy and the country's social fabric as it seeks to unleash new sources of growth after three decades of breakneck expansion show signs of faltering. A reform document released by the Communist Party following a four-day conclave of its top leaders said China would accelerate capital account convertibility, scrap residency restrictions in small cities and townships, integrate urban and rural social security systems and push forward with an environmental tax, among many other measures. China will also ease its family planning policies and abolish a controversial labor camp system, according to the document, the official Xinhua news agency said on Friday. The document was approved by the leaders' meeting. In an initial communique they had promised "decisive" results by 2020. "Whilst further assessment and detail is needed, the policy moves on the surface appear to be a sizable step in the right direction," said Keith Bowman, equity analysts at Hargreaves Lansdown. "Any actions which aid the domestic Chinese economy and therefore help re-balance the global economy should be welcomed with open arms." The statement was in line with a leaked document that circulated widely on social media earlier, helping fuel the stock market's strongest rally in two months. China's economy has grown at a double digit rate for three decades but the government expects the rate of expansion to slip to 7.5 percent this year, the weakest pace in 23 years. The reforms are part of government plans to shift the main growth drivers away from investment and exports to services and consumption, more in line with developed economies. To achieve that, Beijing wants to encourage millions of rural Chinese to move to live in urban areas, but that requires major land and residency reform that currently are seen as impediments to the plan. (news media) |
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It is about time. They are way behind for 30+ years. However, they don't have democratic policy, political reforms, .... Can economic and social reforms work? They are still communists. Nobody trusts communists. When will a communist country catch up with "Freedom World"? Honesty is the best policy.
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The people in Red China don't know "people should have right to vote for their leaders". They only have one political party - Communist. Only one voice. Democracy is bipartisan. People have right to vote for their leaders, so that people have voice. Nobody likes communist government. Honesty is the best policy.
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About 3 years ago, I dated an "Immigration Attorney" who used me as a free "translator" for a Chinese women who has two daughters in the rural area of Southern China. Her husband beated her up because she didn't give him "son". I educated her "that was NOT your fault, the baby's gender was decided by male sperm". She has NEVER educated, her biological parents sold her to a richer family when she was 7 y/o. When she was 18 y/o, the adapted parents son married her. She completely illiterate (she can only write her name in Chinese). She doesn't understand English or mathematics. Chinese government forced her to clinic to have abortions at least 8 times and she needed to go to clinic to have pregnant test every 2 months. Her husband drunk and had sex with her and then kicked her to try to have abortion himself. He held her hair and threw her against walls, kicked her stomach. The 2nd daughter was born in a jungle in mountain far away from home (her husband's friend lived in the mountain where nobody knows). After birth of her 2nd daughter, that person sent her back to home. When her husband knew, she got another daughter, of course, he beat her up again. The government came to her house and asked for penalty money, but they don't have money to pay, so government agents used the bloom to the ceilings and her 3 bedrooms all fell down and only kitchen left. So, all 4 people lived in kitchen. When raining days, the kitchen leaks. She told her girlfriend her painful life. Her girlfriend introduced her to a boat owner who asked money to sneak her out of China. Her girlfriend paid the money. One day when her oldest daughter went to school and her husband took her 2nd daughter out. She used that chance to escape from her house with a little clothing and few RMB. It is a ship with goods on the top and all 8 people (7 men and her) hid in the bottom of the boat. After out of China, they can come out at night. I asked her if anyone her on boat (she is the only woman). She said they have superstition if men woman on the boat, the boat will turn over and all of them will drown. So, she didn't get . After a month or so, the boat reached Mexico. The Goods also loaded in Mexico. All 8 people and the "Sneak Head" all got off the boat. They started to walk, a bus came and they got on for few hours. Then at night time, they walked, through river and mountain for about a week and crossed USA boarder. Finally another bus came to pick them up to Monterey Park, CA in a motel that "Sneak Head" paid $10 per person per night. The "Sneak Head" immediately looked jobs for the guys. The "Sneak Head" told her to wash dishes at restaurant but no restaurant wanted to hire her because she didn't have any "paper" to work. One morning the "Sneak Head" gave her $100 and drove her to a bus stop and paid the fare for her to go to Las Vegas. During her stay in Monterey Park motel, one guy lives near the motel came out to smoke and they chatted. That guy was from the same village but has been in USA for 12 years and had "green card" through "amnesty", so he could work as 2nd chef and took his wife to USA and they have a son 8 y/o. That guy sympathized the woman and gave her a cellphone and programed his cellphone in calling list. When the woman arrived to Vegas, a man and a woman came to pick her up and put her in a motel room. About 1/2 hour later, a Caucasian man knocked the door and she let him in. Because she doesn't know any English and the Caucasian doesn't know Chinese, so use "hand talk". He waved money to show her. She messaged him for 1/2 hour and then 4 policemen rushed in the motel and arrested her to police station. That Caucasian is an "immigration officer", so released. She was in the jail for 3 days and refused to drink or eat. One day she hand signed that she had "stomachache". The police took her to hospital. The MD gave her some water, and food and IV infusion. The MD said you are Okay and free to go. She stood at hospital door and called the guy who gave her cellphone. That 2nd chef in Monterey park drove 5 hours to hospital to pick her up and found an "immigration attorney" paid money. The attorney is the guy I dated who also has an office in Los Angeles. (2.5 days in Vegas, 2.5 days in L.A.). I also the translator for her "immigration officer" interview. I totally helped them 3 times (twice at law office, once at immigration building). I gave her 4 bags of my clothing. I wanted to keep her in my house but my mom said "No," and the attorney said "No, because afraid of Sneak Head will come to her for money if the Sneak find her at my house. I will have trouble". So, I didn't gave her a room to live. I almost did a wrong thing for sympathy. After my mom passed, I tried to rent out the room. Lots of women called and said they are 7 months pregnant and only wants to rent for 4 months in order to have an "American baby". Some said they already have "American baby" but needed to take care of baby in my house. I said "no, no, no, I don't rent anyone who doesn't have social security #. (illegal alien) They said the baby will cry at night. I still haven't rent out my mom's room. USA should send those women back right at airport, don't let pregnant women live in USA. They want USA benefits. I hope USA should know this problem. Honesty is the best policy.
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I hardly could see her crying at law office and immigration office. She was 32 - 38 y/o 3 years ago and her 1st daughter was 13, 2nd daughter was 5. She missed her two daughters but hates her husband. She was a sex slave to her husband and nothing or nobody helped her. Immigration officer told me they heard the same story many times because China has "ONE CHILD POLICY" When couple have 2nd child, they need to pay penalty money. If NOT paid, they destroy your house. I almost wanted to keep her in my house, but my mom and the attorney said No, don't do that. The Sneak Head will come to punish you. I was almost traumatized by her story. The attorney said the woman will get her "Permit" for one year to stay in USA and that permit needed to renew every year with "fees". She will need to report to Immigration Office every year through attorney. I have NEVER seen that woman again after 3 times meetings. If Red China is so good to its people, why people want to come to USA to have American babies?? Honesty is the best policy.
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I told the true story. That woman has been abused by her husband and "ONE CHILD POLICY" She is illiterate in both Chinese and English. I did what I could to help her, but her trouble was more than I can do for her. The 2ndary chef (二廚) helped her a lot, gave her a cellphone, picked her up at Las Vegas hospital from Monterey Park, CA, paid attorney fees, drove her to law office and immigration building, gave her food and a motel room. However, the 2ndary chef can't speak English well, so I helped them to communicate with attorney and immigration officer. I did what I could, but I don't want to jeopardize my safety. I don't like communist government because they keep threaten to weapon attack Taiwan to completely defeat in one week. Taiwan has been kicked out of many organizations such as WTO, WHO,and many other society and Olympics just because China has large population and land. Taiwan only have 11 countries that have diplomatic relationship with. President Jimmy Carter abandoned Taiwan in 1979 and started diplomatic relationship with China. China threatened to attack Taiwan from Air, Sea, and Land (Air Force, Navy and Army). I was lucky that my mom already got her Green Card in 1978, so I got approved to come to USA in 1980. I was a pharmacist in Taiwan and had a stable job. I had to resign the job and came to USA and attended University of Southern California, school of Pharmacy and passed the license exam to become a Calif licensed pharmacist. At least Taiwan didn't have "Cultural Revolution" and killed or jailed millions of intelligent civilians, shut down "iron curtain", .... Taiwanese people actually want to be independent (just like USA did 200+ years ago) but we are afraid of China use weapon to attack Taiwan, so that we keep quiet. Taiwanese are wealthier per person per sq.ft. than China that's why China wants to take over. It is a complicate history, so I came to USA and I am an U.S. citizen for many years. I surely don't want to live under the threaten of China weapon attack Taiwan. To me, China and Taiwan have been divorced since 1949 when President Chiang moved to Taiwan. It has been 64 years, so different sides of people think different ways. Honesty is the best policy.
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It is absolutely impossible that communist China will be the strongest country in the world. You are so wrong, pinkcrystal. No way for China to rule the world. You can dream on but it won't be a reality. Nobody in the free world will give up FREEDOM for communism. Nobody trust communists. This is the basic concept and difference in communism and the rest of free world. You can ask any American or British, if they will choose in between "Communism" or "Democracy", the answer will be Democracy. Nobody wants to give up their freedom for communism. We have "Presidential Election" to choose our leader, but communist leader was selected by his predecessor NOT by people. That's the concept you don't have in China. That's the major difference. You seem NOT understand the whole system of communism is WRONG. I came to USA for the reason of FREEDOM, not controlled by communist. Nobody wants to read Mao's Red Book, or Cultural Revolution, sensor the news from outside world,..... I am so sorry you have lived in a communist country and been brainwashed. FREEDOM is on the top of everything. U.S. Constitution says Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Press. Can Chinese people protest communist government? No, ???? As population of China which is really a problem. The people should be educated NOT to have many children. Can China control its population by taking "Birth Control Pills" instead of abortion? I am a pharmacist and know well about Birth Control Pills and condoms to control population and prevent disease. Is that taking birth control pill a better way to control the population than abortion and fine people penalty money to have 2nd child or more? Honesty is the best policy.
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The most simple and easiest solution for population control in China is "having birth control pills (or Plan B pills AKA Morning After Pills) for sexual active females, put on condom BEFORE sex for sexual active males." Abortion is too cruel. Fine people "penalty money" will make worse for the poor people. Educate people that having babies cost a lot of effort and money. I am the one who insists on "Quality" NOT "Quantity". Honesty is the best policy.
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I sincerely hope the Real Estate in China bubble won't burst. I went to China in May of 2008 (3 months before Olympics). I saw they were building lots of tall buildings everywhere in Beijing. I always have keen eyes for Real Estate. I felt that is overdone. The "supply" is surpassed "demand". In order to show off the world that China's GDP percentage, the Chinese leaders overly built too many buildings and overpriced. The "Supply" and "Demand" is out of balance. Just as I predicted in May 2008, I read many YouTube videos about "ghost town", "ghost cities", "vacant malls", .... in China. There were lots of empty street, empty mall, empty buildings, .... Nobody is buying. More than 63 million units are vacant, but people can't afford to buy those over-priced buildings. I am NOT kidding, or ridicule China, it is very alarming and serious problem. The greatest Real Estate bubble at the upswing about to burst. Please Google to view YouTube video under "China's Ghost Cities and Malls" to see that scaring video by yourself. We are complaining the U.S. real estate bubble in 2008 - 2011, the foreclosure houses, but NOTHING can compare with China's ghost cities, ghost town, apartment, condominiums, empty malls, ..... That's why the Chinese government wants to push the rural citizens to urban cities. However, will that work? I doubt it. I have seen China for 6 nights/7 days, but I have very sharp real estate concept, I know what I saw. This is NOT a joke. Find out the truth yourself. If Chinese government only wants to show-off the world of their GDP growth without knowing the basic concept of "Supply" and "Demand" have to balance, they are idiot. How can a 2nd greatest economic country, such as China NOT knowing this basic rule of thumb? You can criticize as much as you want, but I have said the truth. I have seen what I needed to know. This is not a joke. This is alarming dangerous. So, help me God, the great China can solve this "Real Estate bubble" sooner rather than later. Also please refer to my blog "Real Estate Investment Tips". I don't want to see China crash because they over-built, over-valuation. You can laugh at me now, but I will be the last person to laugh. Honesty is the best policy.
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The change in policy is about the aging of the population, the % of people over 60 is very high, and the % of people under 14 is very low... The policy change is about what is the future. China currently in the midst of its growth, it has high reliance on a very large transient immigrant work force. It is now considering how to improve its numbers for the future as it's current mid age population approaches the retirement age. It knows that it will need to improve it's birth rate of newborns now, if it expect to be able to support an aging population in the next 25 years forward. Right this very moment, many of the participant in this web-portal, will be 60-70+ in 25 yrs, and this is only a microcosm of the bigger picture. China is not unaware that this means, many other reforms will come over time, because the coming youth generation will be farther and farther from the ideals of Mao, and they will demand more freedoms. Much of this conversation in the post has missed addressing any of these elements and factors. Look at other World Nations examples of this very same thinking: (Germany is so far ahead in this thinking, it has many built in provision to currently help support expecting mothers. it understand the need for an improvement in youth population) These matters that each of you is turning into a competitive battle of mutual insults, does not affect that the policy change, nor the fact that it will proceed as planned. but many of you are missing the big picture of all... as to what does it mean as to nations preparing for the future and the changes the future will bring. China does not make change swiftly, nor could any nation with more than a billion people, with a mass of diverse language and cultural group sectors which make up the collective of what is China. But China is wise enough, as is many other nations, to know that it has to take account of what exist and the conditions and many variables and put in place policy changes to prepare itself for what come with the future. With a billion people, change comes by generations, who make slight adjustments by decades, but it takes up to 25 yrs to turn over a generation.... on a nationalized scale as to what is a generation. The world is many things, Look at the true break down of Political system, even in this very USA, that claims itself as a Democracy,, how much so, is that true over the history of the USA. but ... what would one consider to have been the political stature of a nation which embraced and supported slavery and segregation? It was: a ethnicity based socialist communialism form of Communism used as a containment and management by political manner in the control and subjugation of non white ethnic people, by white people; being processed and propagated under the banner of Autocratic in the sense of being a authoritarian manner over and against non white ethnic people, where one race considered itself to function like a Monarchy over another race, which in doing so became a Dictatorial system where an ethnic white group acted like Dictators against people of non white ethnicity, and that was managed under a political manner as Republic. ALL OF THESE THINGS existed under what is called a Democracy. yet it was an Oligarchy, who awarded themselves the cover of Democracy, to subject non whites to all these forms of Political Systems. Today, it is a Oligarchy controlled by Corporate Entities, which is control by the wealthy elite, who promote Candidate by what? Political contribution. In this current day, with President Obama, why there is so much anguish in the white establishment, is because he was elected more by the people than by corporate contribution. People could not digest how he used the Internet to gain contribution by average citizen who support a Democracy and valued their voice in a democracy, and by their support they out performed the Canididate who were running with the backing of the wealthy elite and the corporate structure. They not only hate his skin color, because it goes against all the various political system that this nation has used over generations to contain and downplay non whites, it goes against the established Oligarchy who have for generations put whom they wanted in office to do what they wanted done. President Obama, got into office to support Democracy as being Democracy, he came in and said, Let's bring back diplomacy in how we deal with the world, he said, lets rebuild from the bottom up, so everyone has a fair chance... This all goes against the Oligarchy who have controlled the manner of Democracy they wanted to promote... where it applied to the white society and benefited the wealthy moreso, and was only appeasing to non whites. His election upset the apple cart of the elite. Their vile toward him is without bounds. But in our generation of life, he is the First President who has been appointed by a Democratic process where the voice of the people spoke louder than the power of the wealthy and the screams of the corporations. They hate the health care policy, because it pushes for corporations (Insurance and Medicine empires) to be of service to people, rather than people serving the corporations (Insurance and Medicine empires). When a blow is stuck against the insurance companies in favor of the people, it also is a blow to the banks who control the economy and its performance, because the banks rely on mutual underwriting from the Insurance companies. Therefore the hatred of True Democracy, is a direct aim leveled against President Obama, because he supports a true Democracy. He supports a democracy, that is not a pretentious cover for covert programs of Monarchy, Ethnic based Communism, and Ethnic based Dictatorship, and a true democracy does not tolerate not lend itself to the controls by any Oligarchy. An Oligarchy, detest a government of True Democracy, which is built and made to supports regulatory management of the Democratic System and its modus operandi. as a Democracy which performs to support and benefit ALL its people. We have so many anti government groups in this USA, and we have Political party system within this Democracy, which would like to return it to white based Oligarchy, with as much of the elements of Monarchy, Dictatorship and Communistic controls over and against non whites and poor people and women of all ethnicity. If people truly remember... White Male Society considered himself the only person, and he considered himself the only one who could vote. Women were not allowed to vote, and non whites were considered as 3/5 of a person only to support the position of the white Oligarchy's choice. Many American fail to think as deep or as clearly, because the elites who control the Media is intent to keep them distorted by drama and manufactured crisis, to distract them from seeing the truths. Political scholars are script and cloned trained to promote a Oligarchic system under the pretense of being a Democracy. so that is what they promote in their rhetoric. the election of President Obama is the voice of the people, saying they want a True Democracy.... and since that day he was elected the old style Oligarchic System has been in full assault on him and this Presidency every since, they even now insult the mere office of the President. The Oligarchic system is driven by Capitalism, which is designed to usurp True Democracy ..... If America would like other nations to view and appreciate what is a True Democracy, it has to "first" become a True Democracy. When President Obama spoke of Change, this is the Change he spoke of, but the Oligarchic system was and is dead set against it. People need to become truly in-depth aware of observance of political systems and know how and what it is. Now, as to China, it has similar elements, because it is not 100% Communist, Hong Kong acts and functions as of Democratic processes, Taiwan acts and functions as of Democratic processes, many of the Major Industrial Centers functions as Oligarchic system with some democratic tonalities mixed within it... China's form of Communism is far different from the former Soviet Style of Communism, it equally so functions far different from the many other former and current styles of communism which exist about the world. It is in this day and age, the most successful Communist system that has ever existed, and yet it is not 100% Communistic.
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Don't tell me ONLY THE CHINESE IN MAINLAND KNOW CHINA. We, as a foreigner, also know the problems in China. I know your language too. When a frog at the bottom of a well looks up the sky, the sky he saw is as big as the diameter of the well. 坐井觀天 We, as onlookers, know how big is the sky, the universe. GoingWithTheFlow will agree with me. As the problem of China's population, please tell your government to distribute "Birth Control Pills", "Plan B pills" to the teenager girls up to 60 y/o women. The pills are very safe without side effects and they can enjoy sex lives without worry about pregnancies. The "Birth Contraceptive pills" can save your government lots of money and problems. Most women in Western countries using birth control pills many, many years. I am a pharmacist. Honesty is the best policy.
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It 's very funny that the American government has the most remarks on the disadvantages of China , but borrowed the largest amount of money from China . Why did the American peopel have the largest amount of debts from China since they have the best government and should be able to solve their own problems ? This is a technical Monetary policy program agreement. It stems from the Bretton Woods Accord post World War II, and extends past those Accords to the IMF and other International Agreements as it relates to Trade and Finance. It is many ways afford China the accessibility to ultra high volumes of exports, and the buying of US Bonds and Supporting Lending for the Amounts that fall short of Bond Purchase, and fall short of China's ability to Import as much from those it exports to. That is due to China not to date having developed it's internal consumer markets to be able to support high volume purchase of imported goods. China is still struggling to find ways to improve its Chinese people to first be able to purchase Chinese Goods. These are called "International functional Monetary Offsets".. read as I posted in a previous blog, that the $1 Trillion cash surplus China has, is small in comparison to the national population and the needs of the populations, it China had to draw upon those surplus funds to support itself without the gains from exports, it would not survive long with a surplus. The daily, monthly and quarterly expenditure it cost "China to support its public needs is tremendous, and would consume those funds in a very short time. It is far different if you look at many factors, If the US re-instated tariffs and set trade quotas to be in equal balance, in no time, the US would be re-industrialized and its wealth holding would skyrocket astronomically, because it would then retain all the 30 billion surplus it spend with China Monthly, as well as it would diminish the among below the surplus, and that money would re-circulate in the America Economy... and with only 300 million people, the US wealthy would be multiplied in the dwarfing % it has over China. In America, in many States, the Industrial Facilities still exist in many cities, and can within a very short time be put back into production mode. Many of those properties have been preserved in reasonable conditions which would require some modifications, but not a complete structural rebuild. It is not to the global advantage for America to do that, Not only for the sake of America, but for the sake of every other nation as well, because if all nations are not advancing, then the world becomes more war like and many other factors that bring divides and conflicts, not to mention a great battle waged for natural resources... Currently the pursuit of resources functions with a level of civility even in the turbulence that would vanish very quickly, if nations went into full mode protectionism's of such. In part China is buying accessibility for its exports in the volumes that it exports. Therefore it is within benefit to China to uphold and even at stages improve its Lending activity in these regards.
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This does in parable principle context make much sense. to address the point... We each have value and we each have problem's and challenges and in the context of such, we need each other as nations in the global sense of our world and lives. That, put in context of basic truths of a multiplex of variables far and beyond what we currently focus upon... Presents a reality, that our respective nations have many plus and many negatives each. And both, are in a point and phase of realizations of itself respectively so, that each is making changes based on the nature of its national contextual variables each respectfully has to consider in a very multiplex set of considerations upon a compounded set of variables., as well as address the perspective future that each must make ways beyond what we as individual currently see in our daily lives.
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I sincerely hope the Real Estate in China bubble won't burst. I went to China in May of 2008 (3 months before Olympics). I saw they were building lots of tall buildings everywhere in Beijing. I always have keen eyes for Real Estate. I felt that is overdone. The "supply" is surpassed "demand". In order to show off the world that China's GDP percentage, the Chinese leaders overly built too many buildings and overpriced. The "Supply" and "Demand" is out of balance. Just as I predicted in May 2008, I read many YouTube videos about "ghost town", "ghost cities", "vacant malls", .... in China. There were lots of empty street, empty mall, empty buildings, .... Nobody is buying. More than 63 million units are vacant, but people can't afford to buy those over-priced buildings. I am NOT kidding, or ridicule China, it is very alarming and serious problem. The greatest Real Estate bubble at the upswing about to burst. Please Google to view YouTube video under "China's Ghost Cities and Malls" to see that scaring video by yourself. We are complaining the U.S. real estate bubble in 2008 - 2011, the foreclosure houses, but NOTHING can compare with China's ghost cities, ghost town, apartment, condominiums, empty malls, ..... That's why the Chinese government wants to push the rural citizens to urban cities. However, will that work? I doubt it. I have seen China for 6 nights/7 days, but I have very sharp real estate concept, I know what I saw. This is NOT a joke. Find out the truth yourself. If Chinese government only wants to show-off the world of their GDP growth without knowing the basic concept of "Supply" and "Demand" have to balance, they are idiot. How can a 2nd greatest economic country, such as China NOT knowing this basic rule of thumb? You can criticize as much as you want, but I have said the truth. I have seen what I needed to know. This is not a joke. This is alarming dangerous. So, help me God, the great China can solve this "Real Estate bubble" sooner rather than later. Also please refer to my blog "Real Estate Investment Tips". I don't want to see China crash because they over-built, over-valuation. You can laugh at me now, but I will be the last person to laugh. the sad truths of these facilities and homes is that many people, bought these units with hopes of making a huge profit, China has to manage tightly its reale state lending, to avert the house flipping that took down so many nations, as a result these units were left vacant, because the banks could not take the risk that the 'house flipping game would have created'... It is currently seeking means to address this, ( see comments I posted on this in another blog.. China becomes the most popular location to live for expatriates the post starts with the phrase "Look at the past 40 years of China's Growth". the excerpt [I]Instead, they began to rebuild their infrastructure, tear down and rebuild sectors for the people. ( the sad part is those who did make gains in the new era, began to "hoard" these new developments, hoping to cash in on a housing bubble", but China again put that in a suspended mode, many people bought some of those properties, and those properties still sit 'unoccupied", because greed made them unaffordable, and if it had allow it's real-estate market to go crazy, it would have crashed like the western real estate market did... Now many of those people hold those properties with a vain hope that it will some day be a cash cow. China can control that because it can make mortgage lending stringent until the prices of those units come down or the owners realize that up keep and stagnant capital results to equal a loss. China learned a lot, it watched the British rip them blind for decades, it watched the rise and fall of many other nations, from Britain, Japan and the Soviet System, as well as the latter day US economic greed led downfall of 2008. It has strategized to work to avert the housing crash and knows that it must act to manage the projections to populate these areas, but not at the profit rates those who bought and held this expected to gain. It's wage structure does not support the expectations of the speculators who bought with vain homes of making a windfall profit.
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pinkcrystal: A bitch and a dog are usually working together . A bitch should marry only a dog. This is the common sense . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch you language, young girl. Who taught you to say those non-respectful words??? I refused to talk to you. I am very disappointed about you. Honesty is the best policy.
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11/17/2013 3:53 am |
hi,woaini,The United States of America is a rich country, has rich resources, immigration outstanding,The United States is good,But the world only one the United States of America.Open our eyes have a look the majority of developing countries, their people have what kind of life.Not every country is so lucky that make the people to live a happy life.We live in the mainland of China, we start from what go up to now, We know best .Many Chinese immigrants are very good, to the United States of America is very favorable. The United States government is welcoming them to,The United States accounted for a relatively advantageous position in the world pattern. Hope you can understand this point.
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11/17/2013 4:20 am |
hi,Trusty,Your comments are very reasonable, good understanding of China's one-child policy.Unlike some people, put this policy interpretation so wide of the mark.
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As time passes prejudices and biases diminish in their loud roar... I as being what is called a black American, know well the trips of prejudices and biases as well as bigotry and the encroachments driven by the illusionary white superiority complexes. I have written many times before, about the economic shifts and its impact on ethnicity... based bigotry. During the 1970's the focus was on Arab Immigrations, because we were as America in a Oil crisis; the doors to Arab immigration was opened wide. In the 1980's it was the influx of Japanese upon the auto market and consumer goods, which put Japan as a economic powerhouse, at that time the favor was focused upon the Japanese. During that time, the Chinese were ill considered on these levels, as were the Koreans. Conversely, the focus gave much attention to Taiwan even after it had began to see the rise of Mainland China., because Taiwan was growing as a tech power base, and even the Philippines as the Philippines was in part connected due to historical unity via the Navy base and other factors, along with their training in the nursing field. India, was on the radar in the 1990's becoming the base for telecommunication as an influx of call centers, which later became a focus on tech students from India who had advanced in their computer expertise, but many textile items were also being imported from India. Then came the focus on China, as the Textiles and many other commodity reproduction centers presented low wage labor and mass productions. Now much focus is upon China, with mixed reviews, because in one sense the embrace of the high production and low labor cost, which resulted to transfer great wealth to China, this quickly turned to China being the powerhouse of both consumer good production and Capital reserves. Other areas within Malaysia became powerful financial centers for the Asian Pacific region. With the changes, each time, the focus encompassed the women of these areas, and the introduction of them in the world concept as being pursued mate choices by Western Entities. Even today in the US, Commercials that use to feature, Japanese, now feature Chinese, both in TV and Print Media. as well as many present images of mixed race Chinese and other mix race of Asian ethnicity. In the 1980's and 90's people began to give more focus to Asian decor items in their homes. China receives the same concept pressures that Japan received. Example, when Japan was the top exporter to the US, as industrial centers change, much backlash came about Japanese goods, as time passed, Japan became now known for quality goods. The same is the cycle which has hit China, first the desire and lust for the mass produced goods, then the backlash because of the transfer of industrial centers, and now some sectors of China, is learning that to sustain their position, they must consider higher quality goods. The transfer of tech information was more highly demanded by China, so as to try and move itself from a low grade mass reproduction center, to only of quality goods. There remains the opposing governmental ideologies, at some levels, but at the higher levels, they know there is a mix within composition of what is Communism, it is known that it is not 100% the old concepts of Communism and that is has made many changes. Yes, faster changes is demanded both internally in China and from Abroad, but it is China which must and it is China which does structure its changes both with outside influence as well as with its Party decision as to what aspects of Change at any given time and in what progression these Changes will be initiated. In some ways the world expects what it does not always consider the full spectrum of variables. EXAMPLE: In America the expectation that inb 49 years that black people should as a whole be on economic par with whites is an attitude that promotes much contention. When it is not practical nor was or is it possible for black people to gain in 49 years what white people had 400 years and all 400 years without repression or system denials, they had the opportunity to gain and promote the white image an community life concepts. Nor was it possible under repression systems for these things to be afforded as open options for black or other minorities, nor is it possible in 49 years that black people and other non white ethnic groups could advance as a whole when bigotry and racism as well as regional based segregation still exist in living formats and community. structures. This bias and constriction exist in the Corporate chain as well as in the educational accessibility to the Universities who produce the Industry controllers. nepotism of bloodline and financial connections in and through elite Universities is still with a high grade of segregationist function. This is not only a challenge or as it might be seen an imposition on and against minorities, because as much is said about equality, the top controllers of the Fortune 500 and the Fortune 1000 for that matter, is still controlled by white males, and where they cannot fit a white male for what ever reason, a white female is in place. But not a Black Male or a Black Female, not a Asian male or a Asian Female, not a Latin Male or a Latin Female. When it comes to venture Capitalist, they do not support research and development funding to minorities with any notable % as it affords these funds to whites, and in the broader context, for many minorities to gain any grounds it this funding source, it has to first hire a white face as the public image of their business model, to even be consider, and still when its found that the company may be minority based, the funding may well be denied. Many Chinese as well as Japanese pursue to identify with the white American Ethnicity, but the historical factors are still at play to a great or lesser in some respect, as to what was taught in the era of Jim Crow America. and in some sectors when it comes to Asians, it is still some parts that still have mentality elements of pre Jim Crow concepts of Asians in America, be they citizens or immigrants seeking Citizenship... In this context it has in some sectors a great deal to do with their economic position as to how they are considered. As was referred in a previous section of this blog, 'The Chinese in America would like to see the nation of China gain more strength and position as a highly respected power, which would aid the individual Chinese in America or other Western nations for that matter, a relief to the sense of being made to feel inferior.... or being considered by some degree inferior, in part due to the measure of their home nations economic position and power structure. So, in these regards and considerations... the world to over come stereotypes; as well as, to have cultural differences meet on level terms of human consideration as "person" is a continuing challenges. One cannot fault China for the desire to put on a good face, such as with the Olympics and other things... because each nation has the responsibility and assumes the responsibility to promote itself with idealized imagery.... to help it advance and blend with the progressive demeanor as a nation in the collective of global national stature. What we have seen in the current Administration is an influx of women, and other Ethnic minorities being promoted and given high visibility position.. Yet, this still has not become the case in high level Corporate Executive Suites in America or other Western Nations.. In Parts of European and Nordic Regions, there is a visible absence of Minority Presence in both political and high level corporate position and certainly not a position that has high visibility.
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What everyone has just is relative freedom, for when your absolute freedom bothers others, then others got no freedom. Very True !!!!!
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When the Real Estate bubble burst, that goes the Red China economy. We shall see. China is notorious in "Human Rights" and censorship of "Freedom of Press". . Honesty is the best policy.
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Listen and watch CBS "60 Minutes" video what that Chinese in Mainland construction builder said "Yes, there is a bubble, it is dangerous. When the bubble burst, nobody knows what will happen. It will be a disaster." He is the biggest Construction Builder in the world by "Quantity" NOT by "Quality". This is NOT a hypothesis, China housing bubble is alarming approaching to burst. How long can China let those ghost cities, ghost towns, condominiums, apartments, and empty malls ..just sit there empty? Now all the construction developers frozen all the building work. The next thing the builders can't pay back the huge loan payments and debts. It is humongous big loans. This bubble is like tsunami that nobody has EVER seen before. American foreclosure houses is NOT in comparison of China housing bubble that is imminent approaching. We shall see in short future. Who is right? Who is wrong? The miracle of been 2nd largest economy country (China) will become a nightmare. Watch the video for less than 10 minutes. It will explain everything I said here. I have been to Beijing, Han-Zhou, Su-Zhou, and Shanghai in May 2008. Honesty is the best policy.
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Of course, this knowledge needs to be preceded by understanding the racial and civil movements for universal suffrage in the first 70 yrs of the 20th century. I've been saying this over and over, but because I reference black people, many dismiss and ignore the point, But the racism in America, all the way back in time, was horrendous on any non whites, Both, many Chinese and blacks died doing many labors so select group of white people could profit, which include labors on the mining jobs, railroad, and every other type of job that was rife with inherent dangers. This strife continued into every segment of life for minorities, be it Chinese, Latin, Black and others. Pre and Post Civil Rights - Asian were able to circulate their money in their own community, and they patronized each others business, so they were able to prosper, as well as, white people with money, were more willing to patronize Chinese business, while they neglected to patronize black business, This had a big impact on how these respective groups progressed economically. many Asian did not buy into equality soon as the bill passed, they continued to keep their communities closed mostly but open enough to attract white people money, but they circulated their money among other Chinese business. While blacks tried to patronize white business, and this took the money from circulating in black business... and whites were determined to not patronize black business. What results was the ramification of either money circulating or the lack of money circulating in the respective community. The less money circulated in the black community the more difficult educational advancements and focus on education, in the Chinese community, they used the continual circulation of money among themselves to help keep the focus on educational advancements. We can see in general life, when economic challenges impacts any community severely, the education of their children and the focus on those children's educations diminishes, this is true in any ethnic group... The more challenge the very dire poor whites communities are, the more delinquency is among their youth and the higher their drop out rate is. We see the same in the Latin community, as well as in some of the inner city poor Asian communities. ____________________________________________________
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As to the economic crash of 2008, China did its stimulus program, but you don't see them continue to whine about it after the fact, as it is in America. If it had not been for President Obama including and demanding accountability and repayment back to the government., The first plan of Bernanke and Bush was to give the Banks and Insurance Companies the money without any stipulation, and no request to pay it back President Obama was even trying to go forth to stop them from paying themselves bonuses for their failure,but the republican machine would not support his effort, nor would they support the efforts to put some constraints on the banking industry.. Now they want to be angry because of constraints on the Insurance companies. Tax credits, is a lot cheaper for the nation, than for the Government to provide totally free health care. This point has been sorely missed. In the next 10 yrs when the program matures, the benefits to the nation will become highly visible, and be quite opposite the dooms day preaching of the right wingers. In the US Medicare would not be such a problem if we did not have so many anti government people fighting the program, and supporting medical system gouging, and Pharmaceutical rip offs. Something simple as blood sugar test strips are overly exaggerated in their cost. the best way to get medicare fixed and the Insurance program fixed, is strip every congress person of their programs for and put them on these same programs.. Then they will fix it within a year. I think as all our nations progress, the next generation of young people, will strip the politicians of this Gold plated medical program and force them into the public system as public servants. As you say, the history of challenges China has gone through, they have done well to have positioned themselves as they have today. If people go across this country, and get outside of the well to do areas, you will find there are many people who are living no better than some of the poorest Chinese live in China. some cities have become regressive and in doing so have become nothing more than expanding ghetto's, because people can't afford the upkeep of homes, and public services to the highest levels are directed to area where the more economically prominent live. We may not be as swift with the death penalty as China or can arrest people for some of the same things they do, but for some minority groups justice is not in their favor, in some states for Mexicans justice is as far from their favor is it is for blacks in many inner city areas. I've taken my motorcycle and gone through areas that resemble not of what one would think is the propaganda image of America. And many people who are well to do, in this very country, don't know anything about the dire poor, because they are not going to go in those areas to see for themselves. I worked at a time in Community Development, and in doing so saw some areas both with blacks and whites that are in dilapidated conditions beyond belief. Homelessness in every major city is very high when one think about the image of America promoted in TV programming. We have as I've written before much bias in reporting about public services usages, there are maybe out of 32 million blacks, many up to 12+ million who get some form of public assistance, but among the white society, that number of users of public services is between 70 to 90 million. Both these numbers increased after 2008, because the unemployment rate was very high, and that was mis presented in truth of some areas, where among minorities it was 20%+ and among poor whites it was 10-12% .... and some of these figures don't even factor in the % people who are long term public service users. for any people who would aspire to deny the bigotry and bias, all one has to do is look at the recent government shut down by the Tea Party & Republicans, it is evident how much they fight against this nation doing anything for its people. But what has resulted is the high number of whites these acts have impacted, changed much, because the aim was directed to deny minorities but truth showed that that aim resulted to impact a very very high number of whites. All one has to do is go to the University Hospitals, and look in the waiting room and in the patient rooms, then the truth comes forth. when the high number of white people who are there in need of care because of the lack of insurance or economic means to gain care under the old Insurance programs. There was a move, called "Civil Action", which demonstrated very good how the Medical Insurance companies denied services, and there was a second movie, "JohnQ", which showed the exhortation fees the surgeons request and how the mix between the fees and the insurance denials many many people have resulted to die needlessly. We see even with the Veterans, that so many are not able to get the care they need, even after they have documented war injuries, both physical and mental.. Many are now homeless, and a great many are stuck in clerk jobs, that provides not enough to live above the threshold of poverty. We only have 300 million people and our performance in these things is so poor, how can we criticize the Chinese who have 1.3 billion and they have systems to assist their people. If America had that many people it would collapse into direct chaos, because the greed and wealth disparity is so great and so out of balance, along with Right wing fighting, that it would be anarchy across this nation. Racism would rise to a Civil War like level, because when ever the economic downturn comes, racism spikes in its vile. Freedom of speech is fine, but how many people has freedom of speech caused problems on the social media of twitter and facebook? We do have a generally better overall Legal system as it relates to trials than does China when it comes to Citizens. But there are many areas of our respective systems, that are in need of much change and much promotion of human rights and fairness. But we should not be trying to fix China, until we first accept our problems and fix ourselves.
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American Chinese were allowed even post civil rights, to keep connection and identity with their mother country and their traditions. When it came to blacks over the generations after being ripped from Africa, they were forbidden from having any connection to their mother country traditions or even the simplicity of their respective language. Even during the 1970'swhen many blacks tried to learn more of Africa and the history of their ancestry traditions, black people were vilified and put down for even trying to develop a cultural identity with their Native Homeland. In Jim Crow era Mississippi, however, Chinese American children were allowed to attend white-only schools and universities, rather than attend black-only schools, and some of their parents became members of the infamous Mississippi "White Citizens' Council" who enforced policies of racial segregation. so, when we talk about nations and human rights, it is a big mixed bag of many things, and we may have less room to say anything, until we make better advances in this nation. In the 1980's Ronald Reagan did not want to do anything to support or help fight against Apartheid, but he did pass bills, to give the Japanese Reparations as well as put 100's of millions into College funds to be a scholarship program for Japanese who were subjected to Internment. There mere mention of Repatriations for the atrocities done to blacks will to this very day bring a wrath of vile from the white community. Because they felt entitled to have been the orchestrator of slavery and segregation. In the 1980's when Japan was a economic powerhouse, it was as much about trying to appease the continuance of high bond buying by the Japanese, gain higher investment from Japan, as well as business and more favorable trade arrangement, which promoted the act of Repatriations... rather than stringing it out for another 100 years until it was a non issue. What might have been the status of Repatriation if Japan had been and remained a poor nation ??? ( from I-net) The cultural boundaries separating White Americans from other racial or ethnic categories are contested and always changing. David R. Roediger argues that the construction of the white race in the United States was an effort to mentally distance slaveowners from slaves.By the 18th century, white had become well established as a racial term. The process of officially being defined as white by law often came about in court disputes over pursuit of citizenship. The Naturalization Act of 1790 offered naturalization only to "any alien, being a free white person". In at least 52 cases, people denied the status of white by immigration officials sued in court for status as white people. According to one source—though not supported by census records of the period, which recorded all Jews as white—Jews in America did not become accepted as "white" until the 1940s. Today, the only seeming group, that gets any kind of support at the blink of an eye, is the Jewish People of Israel, and here the US was not even the ones who did anything to them, but the minute that Israel blinks and eye to think it wants or need something, planes are in the air headed to them and bank transfers are in process to send it to them.
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11/18/2013 2:59 am |
hi,woaini,I could understand what you said, Compared with China,the United States of America is a young country, not so much historical burden.China is an ancient nation, centralized rule has a history of thousands of years.The overall change is not easy, we can only begin to change from what we can do.We have different social background, expectations are not the same. a good income, house, the children can receive a good education, health care, And so on is probably more important. Other rights, when our society more matured, to strive for.
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11/18/2013 3:53 am |
Such analysis is right, so you can see the truth of the matter. Some people are prejudiced, find some of the appearance of things, can spout a lot of erroneous opinions.
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11/18/2013 4:29 am |
Applause for your wonderful speech! We know we have a lot of problems to solve, but not as they imagined.
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11/18/2013 6:05 pm |
hi,pastforward, The main architecture of the civilization of North America from Europe.The European area and China is not much difference. But Europe has political, cultural, religious and so on presented pattern is completely different from China. As worldly said : a country that was unified in its language, currency, law, and border since 259 BC. the country that has its own unique gene. We now take the road followed the history we came.We should learn from other outstanding civilization,But according to our own rhythm and style, not as you expected
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11/18/2013 6:57 pm |
hi,pastforward,You have so many complaints and grievances against China, I did not expect that. Our government economic, diplomatic policy in some places it is not done well, but that is not as you slander.In the face of true interests, a lot of morality are hypocritical. Now we have to understand this point. There are hundreds of years from the beginning of the end of Qing Dynasty Chinese and Westerners began to the real deal. However the fate of human beings to some extent is together, we all need to dream, to a better future, I hope we are moving in the right direction
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11/18/2013 8:48 pm |
To pastforward: What happened to Russia, may well happen in China, who knows the future. You are much more relaxed about such things,As you can see the chaos in Egypt, maybe you is the same feeling. If so, there is nothing to debate.
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11/18/2013 9:40 pm |
hi, pastforward, Thank you in this way to explain to me.Talking about politics is not easy， as Woaini said: It is said that one should never discuss, race, religion or politics because no one ever changes their opinion based on a simple discussion. I will just continue to read the comments on this subject because I now realize I have nothing to offer that anyone needs to read. No matter what, always want to have a happy and quiet life, hope we all are so.Good luck!
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Pastforward, some of your points are condescending toward the people discussing China. Having visited or worked there, does not make one a historian nor a scholar on the whole of such a nation of many diversities and many variables. To speak in such disenchanting terms of a nation that is going through many reforms and changes, who by the way have made great strides since 40 yrs,... We can't underestimate the will of people and the learning of a nation. America itself is in the middle of its own madness, We have a Confederate minded Republican Party that is in dire quest to try and re-resurrect an Antebellum structure, and function as an anti government entity that has wreaked great havoc on this nation during each and every Republican Administration. The bigotry and racism of the Tea Party and the Bigotry and prejudice in Corporate America at the executive levels, the avarice and greed of wall street and the collusion between wall street and the establishment of CEO position has been a continual erosion of the Industrial Model that built this nations economy, has been sold away by script trained fools who hail from the same institutions that taught the sons and daughters of slave master, in the ways to keep the pursuit of slave alive, only now they do it on foreign soils (again), this time instead of importing people, they are exporting industry in their search for slave labor abroad. they turned the core of a system into a greed machine with medicine and insurance, closely coupled with banking and what resulted was economic collapse and needless death from the greed of medical professionals and the dishonesty of insurance companies. We now have every type of project being ripped off by contractors, until cost over-runs mount before the soil is even broken to begin a project. We had and have a system of greed by banks and exaggerated selling and speculation by Wall Street to the tune it not only collapsed the Real Estate marketed it damaged the world economy. So, we have far less room to be in measurement about China, when our problems are tremendous.. We can't even get rid of the ignorance of skin based racism in this country. When every indicator tells us that it takes all of us to make up what is America. You want to cease the thread, when your points don't silence the other, but that has been too often the America way, but it has not the power not the right to speak its peace and then call conversation to a close when it thinks it has said its views. America is not beyond its riots, as the conditions in many areas may indicate that another is simmering right below the surface. so we have much un-rest, we have gun hoarding anti government groups that function at the fringe of madness, We have states talking about their desire for succession, along with a something as simple as health care, we have a Right wing that does not care one bit about the health of individuals, but care greatly about the greed of industry of medicine and insurance. the Chinese writers in this blog have been kind enough not to point out these things, but that does not mean we should assume by any means that we have anything close to a Union that is in accord to the level to move forth... When we just experienced a mad and ignorant sector and party who shut down the government in an aim to try and extort their aims. by vicious means. We have a mass of people in this nation who can't face the fact of seeing a black face in the Presidential office, as a result they insult the man and the office. Some detest the fact that change stands in the face making a once aggressively arrogant sector have to face the fact they are not the superiors they assume themselves to be. Yes, we have good aspects in this nation, as does the people of China enjoy good aspects in their nation... but as to perfect, neither has such, and as to works, both nations have a great deal of work in a multitude of areas to accomplish....
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Having lived here over 50 years, quite truthfully, federal decisions have never really had a major impact on my personal daily life. how you can manage that, is truly itself a miracle... even as you say, "the company you work for had you working in part in China", I'd say that is a direct act derived from government relations and policies. Or you never would have gone to China to work. So to deny that government elements don't affect your life is quite a stretch. I know for a fact government affects my life, continually, it did so for a whole ethnicity of people in 1964, and in doing so it affected change in all ethnic groups, whether they liked it or not. I don't have a problem with Government Regulation, I know that Freedom is a Responsibility, and without Responsibility within Regulatory Programs and Process, there is no such as what we call Freedom. As to China, it was the Ch'in Dynasty, who made many changes to govern the vast empire, Ch'in abolished feudalism, instituted a centralized government that was the model for later unifying dynasties, established uniform laws, weights, and measures, standardized the written language, and built a network of roads and canals that converged on the capital. It is Ch'in whom the world China is derived. Over the long history there has been many things, good and not good, but no nation has been built without the good and the not good converging to bring change. and with each successive leader, much came into the ongoing making of what is the many current nations we see about the world. China will not replicate America, because it is not America, it is China. they are two different nations with many differences, but thankfully today they have a level of diplomatic conversation, which functions. Whether its economic or other elements that make it function is what it is, and they each have their course to travel. There is no such thing a a perfect nation, nor is there a nation where everyone is in agreement as to its laws, its governance nor its regulatory systems to manage its governance. In point and fact each nation about the world has a great deal of work to do.... hopefully we all keep doing that work...
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I think you are very intelligent and you do have a lot of functional interactive knowledge about doing business with China and of the Chinese systems. I don't claim to be the defender of any persons on the web in this blog, but I wanted to contrast the variables of the US in relation to the matters being discussed as to nation. I think you have presented some good dialog, but as I addressed the frame of condescending tonality, was merely to say emphasis that we all as nation have many problems, some greater than others in various respects and some not. You are exactly correct in stating the point that for China to have moved 1.35 billion people with a structural framework forward, is an amazing feat. I do think that you are one who observes carefully, and as with all of us, we look ans want better for the lives of people. Yes, it is painful to see and know of the issues that exist. Since my ex-wife and the mother of my son is of coloured West Indian descent and that child has been raised proudly as a mixed child, there is little experience in this house and in our lives of a racial nature. So, I have very little to comment that can add anything positive. I do "respectfully" appreciate that you have first hand reflective awareness and interactive knowledge of these aspects of which I speak, and I'm quite certain that you equally so have experienced some of the challenges such a thing as race invokes unduly in the lives of one as a an American. As to the point of references regarding race in America, it is not a hidden factor, but it is often one not explored in discussed of the depth and variables which truly impact the methodology of both our congressional patterns as it relates to party differences, equally so as to what exist in regional areas. I choose not to negate to discuss racism, because it is a vivid part of the needed works that must exist in America for us to truly move forward. No country can have indulged itself for more than 300-400 years in slavery and segregation and not have a system riddled with repressions and suppression's built within its laws, policies, mentality and systems that were designed to function for the sake of these containment issue. Have we made progress, Yes, has there been problems persisting, Yes... In our corporate system as to the highest executive levels of industry in America, it is not with the diversity that represents a nation that claims equality, nor does it reflect a position and composition that would afford this nation to challenge other nations on their human right as it relates to diversity equality. I point out and point to the factors that exist by principle and history of what constituted those principles. and that is racist divides. American never should have needed laws to force equality, the Constitution guarantee's it in the structure of its own declaration. Sadly, many do not care to look into the core depth of the race related challenge that exist within the American system, yet we know they are there. I for one have no aversion to discussing it. Nor do I do so with a politically correct symptomatic manner of patronizing those who created and propagated the system of such. One fact is certain, without awareness there is no corrections forthcoming. Its a broad subject that expands to great length and very abysmal depths. it is not something which can be scanned over nor given a gloss coating and assume it to be vanquished from view and presence. Many people today, did not participate directly in slavery and many of the young people did not participate directly in segregation, but our system has many existing influences within policy that was born from these periods of these realities which saturated the lands of America. Those influences are both cultural and systemic in the cores of systems. Today there are many discussion about the legal system and its imbalances in prosecution as it relates to race, there are still issues that evolve around voting rights. which should not exist, because as American's voting is a Constitutional right. It does not require any rationing to any American, nor should any American be subject to any form or method of rights to vote rationing by any means or method. As to where China may find itself in the future, is a big matter of many unforeseen possibilities. There is by fact of its components, a great span of room for a great degree of discord and many challenges. It's mere diversity and language is within the mix, as well as the multi system it is trying to maintain. One can look at the existence of Hong Kong under the Banner of China, then look at Major Metro's versus the poor rural country side regions and how the governing has a vast difference in its application and enforcements of a mixture of stern communist controls and in Cities and Among the elite wealthy a very difference set of applications and enforcements in a relaxed manner, of which the country side would not readily think is existent ... I think your travels led you good perspective to a degree far more than most of us non Chinese who participate here. But equally so, there are many very well versed conversationalist in this site within these discussions. I appreciate and I'm sure you do as well, the hopeful and pride filled spirit that many of the Chinese people present within these blogs. I think all people should have some reverence for their nation. It is their home nation. I don't know anything about your level or degree of performance in the corporate interchanges with your company and China, but I do know that as to business it does however yield some information and knowledge that is not easily available to many of us who have not had those levels of interactions. I appreciate your indulgences to be articulate and probe into the variables as well as the incitement manner you as well bring within conversation. I was addressing the tonality of reference in some of your comments as to rebuttal to some of the Chinese comments. Nothing personal, I just think we all as a global system of nations equally have so much that must be done to make not only our respective nations better, but to make for a better world in the whole of things. The mere existence of blogs, has give all of us, something that did not exist in the past... and that is the ability to have interactive dialog... I personally thing that alone is a great thing. I do appreciate the women who are sharing in this discussion and their forth right involvement to be expressive and not shy away from variances in details as to agreements and disagreements... for me, I think the interactive engagement it itself a mutual achievement for all involved. In the past few months, I've noticed the blogs have become far more interesting and indulgent to discuss things, than it has ever been to this degree and this level of point and factor interactions as well as expounding upon subject content. Thank you, for the intelligence within your rebuttals.
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11/19/2013 10:01 pm |
hi, pastforward, Appreciate your learning Mandarin,Learning Chinese is difficult.For those of us whose native language is Chinese, a certain age, will also forget a lot of Chinese characters writing,Sometimes to use computer to complete. For you, one can imagine the difficulty.However we should applaud for you to learn Chinese. hope you good luck!
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11/19/2013 10:17 pm |
to beyond fantasy 、pastforward、woaini how are you? some of your comments should be appreciated Although different perspective, but are true conclusions.You have a very good tradition, everyone will speak the truth. Just like learning, it is the spirit of Science.Chinese emperors to rule the people, the selection of officials should be loyal to him, officials learned perfunctory, don't like to speak the truth,Thousands of years of imperial rule, leads us to the whole traditional culture are not so good.,In our society, the lack of a deep thinking of the intellectual class, ordinary people not very broad, not deep thought.Hope that one day a little better, but the big change is hard
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11/20/2013 1:19 am |
hi,pinkcrystal,你可真够冲的，我不需要弄清楚你和JMENYO的意思，我只是谈我的感受，这跟追求男人有什么关系呀？你多虑了。你在这里说的每句话的目的是为了追求男人吗？
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11/20/2013 3:21 am |
BTW, a rhetorical question is not used when others have provided an ample reply (w/ examples) for you already. Perhaps Ch is not the only language you are experiencing difficulties w/. some people get a ridiculous conclusion I need approval? Just as the opportunity to learn the language, no matter which language is difficult or easy
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11/20/2013 3:26 am |
你叫我无语，不想和你再有交集
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to beyond fantasy 、pastforward、woaini how are you? some of your comments should be appreciated Although different perspective, but are true conclusions.You have a very good tradition, everyone will speak the truth. Just like learning, it is the spirit of Science.Chinese emperors to rule the people, the selection of officials should be loyal to him, officials learned perfunctory, don't like to speak the truth,Thousands of years of imperial rule, leads us to the whole traditional culture are not so good.,In our society, the lack of a deep thinking of the intellectual class, ordinary people not very broad, not deep thought.Hope that one day a little better, but the big change is hard Think in the terms of how is education engaged. I read an article a few years ago, that said, some Chinese institution were 're-thinking" the educational program of " rote memorization's", The corporation which was discussed noted that 'high test scores in academia", did not translated into higher performance in the actual work environment'... Broad based education utilize many teaching and learning styles, and there are many. Equally so, with respect to the methods which individuals learn, become many. If one has a contained system, it has elements that function to managed that process of containment. China is seeking to expand... Pastforward did address something interesting, which can directly be related to growth..., which involved, many things such as one developing its society to be investigative, and not put too much reliance on things such as infringements of spying to gain knowledge, covertly stealing secrets, patent infringements, copyright infringements and such. To get away from this, one first has to start at the educational facilities. Where cheating is diminished. It has been often written about the pressures to produce good grades, leading to bribes and many other such things.... This directly will impact true learning and expansive learning, by those tactical methods of circumventing the learning process. a few have reached a point that the discussion no longer has interest to them, for me I find there is no end to a discussion which has so many variables which compose the views from both sides ..... and those views have many variables yet UN-discussed when we are discussion the nature of multi diverse nations.
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11/20/2013 11:22 pm |
哈哈, 我很理解你的"爱之深恨之切", 因为我自己经常也这样. 有时候会想起艾青的那句诗: 为什么我的眼里常含泪水? 因为我对这土地爱得深沉. 每次在一些场合听到国歌响起, 总是会热泪盈眶. 我经常觉得一个连自己国家都不爱的人, 也谈不上别的什么基本素质了. 最先死亡的总是那些有着盲目优越感的人，少谈这些狭隘的爱国主义情感。
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11/21/2013 5:11 am |
pinkcrystal: A bitch and a dog are usually working together . A bitch should marry only a dog. This is the common sense . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch you language, young girl. Who taught you to say those non-respectful words??? I refused to talk to you. I am very disappointed about you. 你这样的表达很好地充分地体现了你的“素质”和“涵养” 别人对你评价你收到了好多条了吧？
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Biz schools in N Am have started to teach biz ethics many yrs ago, has that changed the behaviors on Wall St/Bay St? Hardly. JP Morgan was fined 13 billions for misleading investors yesterday. Justice Dept in the US is pursuing criminal charges against its executives, b/c they gave the OK/initiated these evil deeds. Will see how this ethical saga (mire?) turns out in the next while. I often view work done by some people who claim a variety of degree's and honestly, some it is very lacking in a variety of ways, including some in very poor presentation. I can tell some very interesting things about people, positions, titles and questionable functional performances; and certainly about the Politically Correct ones, who are simply flat out often non functional. I've seen people cost companies a great deal, because of their clone and script trained mentalities, some still think they are in their school days of "worship and kiss the butt of the professor" and they bring that same attitude into the work force, afraid to address the facts and matters to their superiors. I've had various Directors directly tell me, they don't have faith in some workers, because they never speak up or make decisions and when they do, it's to appease something, rather than address and progress the operations. In school I had a professor who asked us to write a paper, the subject was : what did the American Indian and the African Slave have in common as to hardships in the American system. ( I remember the topic well, and this was many many years ago in the 70's)... I remember it because this butt head is an example of why I did not like the professors who were hung up on script teaching, as if people were to be clones. I used reference material from the books we used to back up "my points" ( self generated points)... and credit was give to the original writer of the referenced parts. The guy gave me a bad grade, I met him after class, and told him my thoughts, that I would not be writing a paper to appease him, but to address the subject content of the questions. I also followed up, with letting him know, that no matter what he thinks, I will learn and in doing so, what I learn will be factored into improving my ways as well as my over all self in how I put to use what I learn. I did have other teachers who were very good in my view. I had some who were tripped up by their own ineffective lesson plans. but I understood they had a 'whole" group to move along. So, I always did my reading and research independently, because I got tired of hearing " we have not got to that yet", "or we will get to that later" because it turned out they never got to it. I even had one tell me, to give the other students a chance to answer the questions. I "often" waited and none raised their hands, then I raise my hand and the butt head acted indifferent, It did not stop me from continuing my learning by independent methods. Some classes were simply too slow, or skimmed the subject material too lightly. The 1970's were a trip, because many schools had recently integrated and some did not expect black students to do well. Although California Schools had done so years ahead, still there were some area where teachers were still lost in the past. I would go and then stop, I'd go and not take the finals, eventually, I'd only go for the course that I wanted to learn about. Good and not good, mainly because today so many are hung up on degree labels, rather than what individuals have developed as capabilities and abilities as well as successful experiences. There is too much to know and too much to think, for anyone to waste their time plagiarizing other peoples stuff. One can learn well and incorporate much in what they learn, but don't be of intention to steal others thoughts and material. I often use material from the web, in my job, as it relates to bulletins I send out, but I give reference to the source.
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I don't really have a problem with Pinkcrystal or any of the women's comment, I think they express their perspective views as it relates to the subject matter. I do find it interesting, because their speaking-up change the dynamic of the delusion some have wrongly held of assuming Chinese women to be docile and silent. These women prove that Chinese women do speak up and they have commentary to contribute to the ongoing topic and conversation, and they have feedback to present if they feel they have been wrongly confronted. Maybe these examples will help some of the men get over the delusion that is often depicted in western imagery of Chinese women; as being - silent and docile about things, life and their views. "they are not, docile and silent'... they are speaking their views and perspective opinions. I think they have handled themselves well, they don't readily indulge to become belligerent, but choose an intelligent way to presenting their rebuttals. I do appreciate they are proud of their Country heirtage, and by right they should be, with and without regards to the governmental system. they are not unaware of the Challenges in their society, as well as they are not unaware of the functional and good things they appreciate in their society. Again... no place is a utopia.... and every place is the home of someone. I'd love to have the means to experience some time living in China, I find many things interesting of the Asian nations. I really like how they have good regard for preserving a great many things in their countries, they have done some remarkable achievements in developing technical things... As many of us know, some countries don't have high speed rails, and surely if one want to see some beautiful works, just "google" Bridges of China"... these are but a few very interesting things created. I like that the women take great care in maintaining themselves in general sense, I think their though process is designed based on effeciency in how they communicate. Often times, when translated, I don't always get the full meaning, because to me some of it seems connected to parable of principles in a way that is not common to the structure of western communication. I may be wrong, but in some sentences it seems that the adjective and adverbs come after declaration. also, kinda like I found Spanish to be different from English. In English we would say, "come into the house", In Spanish they would say, "Into the house come".... I don't know if this example is effective, but hopefully it explains some of the challenge for me, when I translate their written language via "google", to get the English version. One thing that is truly respected and great for this site, They ( the Chinese Women) can generally speak a great deal of English far and above what we can of their language. I know I can only speak English... I don't know any other language.
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I do think that maybe we may not fully understand their system, because for a system built on the focus of men to provide certain things to women... it would be logical that the women would seek to find these things beause that is how the system is structured. Now the women who are more worldly in their learning of Western society, have a far better understanding of the difference in expectations placed on women in western society, vs how women are viewed to required much of the man in Asian society. In Western society, its about building things together, and in current day it is even more about both man and woman contributing to the household. It was not always this way in America, but due to women's rights, and also do to so many men getting cleaned out by women in divorce and so many women using the gold digging system, times have changed, and now men are not so willing nor motivated to be the sole bread winner, nor to provide 100% of everything in the household or to get the house. I think for any Chinese women who seeks a western man, it is good for them to know... that it is not like the system of China, where the man has to provide everything... In the Western system its a partnership, both have to contribute or be willing to prepare themselves to contribute and to do so as best they can. The 1950's TV imagery stuff is GONE !!! and the Soap Opera stuff is GONE... Today, its about a two person working family.... and as time goes along more and more of society will become a two person working family... The days of the man working and the woman staying home is dwindling into non existence in many many places around the world. Eventually the days of Divorces giving women half of what they did not earn will eventually vanish... already there is a big rise in the use of Prenuptial... and that will only expand as time moves along.
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I do not contest these points. I've never had any fictional concept or delusion about Chinese women.... I don't get those mails some of these guys say they get, of women trying to get some money or material stuff.. The women I have met in this site, are very independent and have her own resources as well as their own homes. I've talked to women who have their jobs and they raise their kids. They are not asking for anything, at least not from me. Most they speak about the fact that they simply want someone to be with - they do not want to be alone. The thing that hold me from thinking in relationship terms, is because at the present time, I know that I can't afford to fly back and forth, nor do I have the resources to move there. So I don't try and mislead anyone... but I do try to at least keep some ongoing communication, it may not be everyday frequency, but I do have ongoing contact with one. I think she is a very good woman and very diligent and highly intelligent in managing her life. It's really funny how life is, because when I first joined this site I had accessible means to travel any place,.... as well as resources to enjoy myself any place I'd go. but things change..... and that goes to say, I can again regain resources... Life is always with unpredictable things.
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Quote: pinkcrystal Yes , as Chinese women , we all have the common feelings in a sense . No matter where we go and where we are , we are still the Chinese. We have black hair ,yellow skin and dark eyes , rooted on this lovely and sacred land -------- China ! _____________________ This is much the truth for black people as well, no matter where we go, we are distinguished highly by our appearances, the same as with Chinese. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The area of bias which comes into play is by the European Modeling of influences spread about the world as to the nature and implied concepts of people who are non white.. Via the many conquest listed in histories logs of nations, seeking to control and rule other nations. In other regions of the world, by Non Europeans Modeling, many influences have been spread in regions about implied concepts about people of various other ethnicity and skin tone or other factors. Sadly, about the world, we have many Biases by many spread concepts. It comes down to the individual, taking time to learn and come to know other individuals, as simply "person".. The same as within nations where one group or tribe seeks to control and rule over another tribe. Sadly, mankind has engaged in the group dominance aims over other groups since there was the existence of the human being. By this much mis information, mis communication and mis interpretations of each and others.... Which led a great deal to mis- use of others; by and thru this was passed on mis information’s about the nature of others and their cultures. But so often the great driver has been resources, and protections as the driving aims, which translated into 'wealth seeking'... always this brings discontent and distrust to become many things in the making of cross group and cross cultural integrations. . But in the whole of life people with more toned pigmentation's are no greater or lesser than any person, nor is any person of non toned pigmentation any greater or lesser than any other person. Every people, is what makes up this world, and the nature of person, is a uniqueness of what is an individuals within these mass of people. Within this we find many bonds via our aims of collaborative functional matters within our inter-relations. Traditions and Cultures are common to each people respective of group and region of various groups, Over the many generations of the human being, that cultures have been mixed and blended in ways we don't have availability to knowledge to precisely track or depict as to when or how these blends came to mix and merge. Archeologist continually find traces that dispel previous thoughts, as they set for new conjecture as to what they surmise. Always with inconclusive results. In all cultures and the history of cultures, a criminal is still a criminal, by the definitions of crime in basic, is stealing, lying and cheating and harm to others for malicious motivations and aims. many sub crimes fit within these frames as to methods and devises of ways to enact what is crime. Crime is man's term, in The God essence term, it is called "Sins". What is pure to form is the form of the Human Being... Period... by that I mean; we all have the same internal components and external appendages in generally human beings, excluding what we call 'deformities". . By this masterful design of what is a Human Being, which gave forth a variety in appearances, What is even more astoundingly amazing about the premise of the Human Being by the laws of nature; we can all mate and not only in doing so do we merge the genetics, we also come to merges the habits relative to the environments we reside and partake. The world would not be what it is, if there was one tonality of skin, one texture of hair and all facial features alike. We make crazy much by the absorption of measurements, in a humorous simple term, a woman internal body does not know much about the difference in a man's organ being 5 inches or 6 inches. The same as a man utilizing his organ does not get a change in its function whether its 5 inches or 6 inches. And the same goes for the trips of measuring breast size... they still do what they were designed to do. Therefore, of all the things we seek mastery of, maybe it may be the pursuit of self one may care more to master than to compete about things which are unchangeable as the ethnicity and skin tone of another. As to all this talk about one nation above another... we know there are differences, but in all situations ... people live as best they can in where they are. As with all people we learn, we grow, and we have the ability to move about the whole of the world, because we are not rooted like a tree. We can by the help of other human beings, adapt and adjust to live any place, when we don't care to do so any longer we can go to another place. Now, comes reference to the "individual" motivations of how one choose to make these moves, is of discussion and questions... and those questions are related to the use and abuse of another to get from one place to another. Mutual and agreeable use is what people do, and within doing it they call it sharing. But the area of abuse is where mankind finds conflicts with mankind, because it is outside of the honest agreement of mutual use... Now "use" can be about emotions and many things because within what we do and how we do it, emotions are part of our being. How we manage it is up to the individual. We may do well not to abuse our own emotions, nor be of acceptance of another abusing our emotions" We speak about love, but of what is love, first is of respectful regard and then the regard of appreciations, among the many other elements of concerns we involve in our concepts. What we have to work with these factors is the gift of "communication", what is the challenge, which is always about "understanding and the ability to be understood, as well as the interest to understand and be understood. Even this encompasses the matter within same language speakers as well as people who speak different languages. Therefore what do we have to help us... if it is not patience? Patience is something we often use so little of, but expect many things which cannot come to its potential without it. Thus so, If people want to mate... instead of labeling a group, and then subjecting an individual to some group prejudicial labeling, it is best to deal with the individual as an individual.... then what might become to be friends or lovers may find its means to meld into a relationship.. We can speak of many fears and cautions born of folklore and observed situations and much about a whole array of apprehensions, and draw upon much learned wisdom's.. But what will matter of most, is: what is the understanding two individuals arrive to agree upon.... they will build their relations up these things as to its foundation.. What springs forth from that foundation, is an unknown, but truly dependent on the two people within the relation..... and what they collective decide to build and how they design their plans and input their efforts together to build it. Is that not what most are here for when they seek a mate... ????
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Whether you can raise your head and hold your dignity or not depends on your backup country behind you and your own capability . Very interesting statement !!! In early America during the many years of slavery and through the many years of segregation. The first things that was denied to slaves was connection, identity and even homage and respectful acknowledgment to their home country, and the aims to take away language, culture, religion and any remnant that would give them a sense of identity in relation to their home country. This was followed by taking away their very individual name, and thus re-naming them after by their slave owners and attaching the slave owners last name as being theirs to bear. These things happen to no other persons in the United States. Even today, when many blacks began to use non traditional Amerian names such a Bob, Jeff and Jack and Jake, Betty, Sue and Mary, the US mentality, began to make mockery of the names people began to give their children in the late 1970's and 1980's, in some cases the name they chose for their children became to be ridicule and belittling, by a society that did not regard black people as having a right to choose names they related to their ancestral ethnic homeland. Part because it was an acknowledgment of their connection to having a ancestral homeland.. In the US, this was an intolerable thing to respect. it was easy for people to say, "Go back to Africa", ( an oxymoron statement) but in many previous situation they wanted the slaves to have no remembrance or awareness of Africa or any respect for it as a land they hailed from. "Go back to Africa" was often uttered by those who could not profit from the usage of African people, or those who had to compete with African American people for jobs, as well as those who despised African American people who may have achieved more than their white counterpart in America and in some cases, those who have remained in some level of poverty after so many years of segregation. . It was a no win situation for many years, decades and centuries, sadly various remnants of that attitude still prevails in segments of this nation to this very day. The really moronic part of this, is, after 400+ yrs, not all white have risen above poverty, yet the expectations on the whole of African American people to have risen above it in 1/10 of the time, is an absurdity. When whites had 400 yrs of unimpeded means and access to have risen above poverty, they did not do so. yet it is often this same group that is quite to utter this moronic statement of 'Go Back to Africa'.... Talk about absurdity... Even in the early 1980's there was a level of mockery made of various Asian names and surnames. Likewise so of Latin peoples names and surnames. Still today, among many people from foreign lands who have immigrated here, have changed their child's names to the "Bob, Jeff and Jack and Jake, Betty, Sue and Mary" some people who immigrated from primarily white society nations have too dropped parts of their surname and modified it to gain more acceptance in America. But , to us , there's still a long way to go This remains true of many people from foreign lands who become American Citizens. what is more a trip, The upholders of the nations aims and its claims has been continually done by the African American, even during the times of slavery, the African American fought to seek for America to honor its own claim of Declaration and Constitution. African American have and continue to fight to get American as a whole, to honor and respectfully support its Bill of Rights. Here in this areas, in the 21st Century, many white people scream about "My Taxes" as if they are the only group that pays taxes.... Everyone in American Pays Taxes, because there is no such thing as shopping for anything without taxes being added... even if one is a renter, they are paying taxes, because those taxes are built into the rental fees. but what the delusional "My Taxes" is mean to infer is that the nation is only supported by this singular group of whites who are frequent to utter this silliness. It's about on Par with the Tea Party and their claim of "We want OUR Country Back"... as if American belongs solely to them.. This is the type of madness which still exist.... yet, we have sanctioned laws against this craziness... laws cannot wipe about the delusional superiority complexes of people who refuse to embrace the nature and reality of basic human equality and support it in all respects. We can look at our corporate system, and by the view of who is sitting in the leadership seats, that they are not willing to embrace executive diversity across the span of "publicly traded companies". There is a great span of work yet to be done in this nation, as well as in every nation on the Planet... as to the respectful regard of people. How do we achieve it, is an ongoing challenge with many tentacles. now, there is a paradox... because one has to pay attention, because everything that one critiques is not racism based on skin or ethnicity... some is about "social responsibility".... which means. learn, work and contribute... it can become racist when it seeks to label of whole group by the acts of a few. but if it is directed toward singular individuals, then it may well be about 'social responsibility", as it relates to learn, work and contribute. some sectors will remain with deep prejudices, but much of that is based on ignorance and resistance to change and grow beyond ignorance. America,itself, as much as it is about freedoms and Democracy, it is also about economics... and the contributing to the economic modeling, therefore it should be interpreted by each individual as to their responsibility to contribute to the support of a system that requires economics to manage and sustain as well as promote itself. This however entails many historical things, which at a later time can be discussed, because these other things have a great deal to do with current reality as it relates to the whole of this perspective point of discussion. in such regards, one then would have to consider much about what is segregation, how it functioned and what are the ramifications of its mere existing. We must remember, that Generations are generally measured in increments of 25 yrs, therefore, it has been only slightly less than 2 generations since segregation was legally banned, but we must remember, it took 100 years from the point of slavery's abolish,, before segregation was put to rest. it is evident that another 25 yrs will come to pass before the hearts and minds of a nation move further from the history of segregation and the bigotry it was built upon. some ethnicities find it a faster pathway to unabashed equality and economic equilibrium... by there mere fact you stated above. Whether you can raise your head and hold your dignity or not depends on your backup country behind you and your own capability that is a two fold statement, but if you note, Until China became an economic power house the regard for Chinese was quite diminished, Equally so, when Japan was a financial power house the Japanese were quite highly elevated. Now that China is the economic powerhouse, the Chinese is quite elevated. We don't hear so much about Japan and Japanese anymore... It is more about China and Chinese, because they have now, backup from a country that now is regarded as economically powerful. American media of commercials, now feature a great many Chinese, where in the 1980's and 1991's even up to the early 2000's when an Asian group was thought of it was reflected by a Japanese face in the commercial presentations. The plus factor in all of this - is: the world is becoming more familiar and people are learning to respect others as individuals.... This is the premise and the goal of the masses, and we are moving far closer to achieving better saturation of this, than ever before in the history of mankind. In the next 50-75 yrs if the nations don't blow each other up behind natural resources, the world will become greatly unified in ways we can only dream of today. (many of us won't be here to see it, but we can be great contributors toward that goal while we are here).
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Music is always universal in its conveyance. as you say, appreciation is an individual choices as to the flavor and style one has an affinity for. I find the uniqueness in what is music to be an amazing mastery of the usages of sounds. the vibration within its strum as well as the waves of its tonality produces much of many types of inspirations, including but not limited to, the inspiration of soothing peace, as well as, arousal of erotic passions, to the frames of melancholy moments. The Jazz and Blues spawned many styling to follow from its roots, which brought forth Rock and Roll, Rock and even the expanse of Rocks highs can be found in some of Blues expansive styling. From the crescendo of Rocks highs, can be found the roots of Metal and Heavy Metal... the connections within music is deep... the amazing voices of instruments can bring forth so much emotions of many types in and within many compositions.... such beauty can be within music, but so can can the anguish and madness of man be found in musical formations and musical styles. It conveys many cadences of life's variations of motility in both humans and animals.
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Thank you for the clarity... I don't care for Heavy Metal, and Most I am not a fan of , I do like TuPac's stuff, he seems to me to have had the harmonic tight in is vocals and music. Most to me sounds like a drone with someone just talking fast repeating a few phrases over and over, to a march like beat, seemingly to me to be all about nothing. maybe I've not listen to enough to know of the various stuff within the style. I do like good Jazz, Progressive Jazz, R&B from the 60's and 70's, some from the 80's.. Even some country Rock I like. some Pop songs, I like good blues, I like some classical music, I even think the musical orchestration that accompanies media cartoons is often times done very well.
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I don't have a problem with what you write nor what jmenyo writes, I understand the humor points, as well as the fact that thought is explored and expounded upon. As I've often said, I like the nature of formality in the cultural expression, although sometimes when I translated the written language via google, the order of the wording can be somewhat to require a second reading to put the context in perspective. As I said, sometimes it appears that the adverbs and adjectives come after the noun... by this I mean: In English we may say, "The brown dog ran fast", but when I read translated Chinese it may say, "The dog brown, ran fast"... ( this may not be the best example, but hopefully, you get the gist of what I'm saying). I can interpret that you express humor, I've come to know that many things in Chinese language is related via parables. to convey a point or perspective. We, in English on the other hand often are more explicit to convey point or perspectives. Then in conversational English there is a matter of semantic which can pose some difference in communications interpretations for non Native English speakers. the work to understand is a worthy work, but equally so is the work to be understood.... sometimes these labors are not appreciated by some or maybe not engaged without contempt by some... I prefer to try and understand as well as to be understood.
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A great many white people in some sectors and situations detest when black people talk about the historical challenges that were thrust upon black people as a whole and upon individuals. I particularly don't care much for whether they like it or don't like the fact that I discuss it. Some white people during the many era's of American life, felt entitled to be condescending towards black people as well as abusive, violent and derogatory toward black people. while at the same time relying on black labor and black ingenuity, and stealing the creative inventions of black people and claiming them as their own. But, nothing, no amount of abuse and mal treatment or violence against black people, has stopped the forward progress of black people. When slavery ended, black people were expected to pick up and be at pace with white people, yet, white people disregarded the fact that all during slavery not only was education denied, but even the expanded use of English was denied, because a great tool used to segregate was by the usage of language. American's began to use and substitute many Latin words for things, rather than usable English words, this was where the educational system promoted the divide. Which also was to serve as a hold back method because if black people were not allowed schools and forbidden from reading, then they would not have the accessible means to know what the latin translation meant. This is often why we see so many Latin Terms used in many professions, because those same Latin words could have been conveyed in English... But this is to separate the '"system groomed" educated from the common everyday layman education in communication terminology. Over 300 plus years, every means and methods was utilized to support segregation, likewise these means were used to disenfranchise black people and put a divide between blacks and whites. There was not much overlooked in the tool chest of white society to build barrier between blacks and whites. even between the indentured servant class whites and the more well to do whites. Because many indentured servants also could not afford schooling, but they were not forbidden from learning to read and write. But, beyond all these efforts to hold back black people, we have continued to persist in being and doing. My mother still gets a yearly Calendar from a company, that has printed on it, achievements of black people, and for every day of the year, there are achievements and creations and inventions by black people listed on this calendar. many many many creations and inventions by black people were stolen by white people, because black people at certain times of history were not allowed to hold patents, and if they were enslaved, what ever they created was taken by the slave owner and claimed as his own. There is a great movie, "Something the Lord Made" .. it chronicles the life of a black man and a doctor, the black man was a carpenter's helper, but without formal schooling went on to become one of the prominent Heart Surgeons, and over his life, became the Teacher to many of the Heart Surgeon which lead to many of today's capability and advances in Heart Surgery. his name was Vivien Thomas. when the awards were given for acknowledgment, the white doctor was honored, but it was the work of the black man who actually guided the process, as well as figured out what the problem was to cure the blue baby syndrome. When it comes to computers, Mark E. Dean is an American inventor and a computer engineer. He was part of the team that developed the ISA bus, (ISA systems bus) that enables multiple devices, such as modems and printers, to be connected to personal computers and he led a design team for making a one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He holds three of IBM's original nine PC patents. Dean now holds more than 20 patents. but you will rarely hear of him mentioned when the origin of the PC is discussed, but his work was critical to the advance of the Desktop PC. a sample list from the web of advances introduced by black people, that has never been taught in school nor mentioned in being made into general public everyday knowledge. African-American female physician to receive a patent for a medical invention. Inventions relate to cataract surgery and include the Laserphaco Probe, which revolutionized the industry in the 1980s, and an ultrasound technique for treatment. Bharucha-Reid, Albert T. 1927–1985 Mathematician Statistician made great achievement in - "Probability theory" and Markov chain theorist. Blair, Henry 1807–1860 Inventor Second black inventor to issue a patent , Invented early "spark plug" Bouchet, Edward 1852-1918 Physicist First African-American to receive a Ph.D. in any subject. Received physics doctorate from Yale University in 1876. Boykin, Otis 1920–1982 Inventor Engineer Artificial heart pacemaker control unit. Burr, John Albert Inventor Rotary-blade lawn mower patent Crosthwait, David, Jr. 1898–1976 Research engineer Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning. Received some 40 U.S. patents relating to HVAC systems. Drew, Charles 1904–1950 Medical researcher Developed improved techniques for blood storage Olukotun, Kunle Computer scientist Early advocate and researcher of multi-core processors Quarterman, Lloyd Albert 1918-1982 Scientist Fluoride Chemist Manhattan Project, worked with Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi Jones, Frederick McKinley 1893–1961 Inventor Invented refrigerated truck systems Jesse Eugene Russell ( April 26, 194  is an African-American inventor and one of the visionaries’ whose innovative perspectives profoundly influenced the wireless communications industry, the driver of growth in 21st century. Recognized globally as a thought-leader, technology expert and inventor in the field of wireless communication for over 20 years, Russell has played a major role in shaping the wireless communications industry direction through his visionary leadership and innovative perspectives for standards, technologies as well as innovative new wireless service concepts. He pioneered the field of digital cellular communication in the 80s through the use of high power linear amplification and low bit rate voice encoding technologies and received a patent in 1992 McCoy, Elijah 1844–1929 Inventor Invented a version of the automatic lubricator for steam engines. ( this is where the term "The Real McCoy) came from, which mean, this is the Original. In every field there are key and instrumental advance made by black people. But this is not something America put into it's text book teachings. Mostly in American, black people are portrayed as musician or sports figures, of which they have excellent in these areas to dominate many sports, and influence much of modern music. The other depictions is as Hip Hop or Poverty figures, But the truth is, Black people have always contributed some critical and core base inventions and achievements that has enabled progress within the United States. During World War I and World War Ii, negative propaganda was spread around the world about black people and pushed as aim to discredit black people. But go and read about the Red Tails during World War II, and see their achievements, they helped save the Bombers which were being destroyed at alarming rates, but they lost very few during their escorts. they went up against the First German Jet Fighter, and shot them down, using regular airplanes. Many of these achievements were done under a varying degree of duress and challenge, all of which took a lot to overcome and still be groundbreaking in succeeding. many of such things would not have been well taught to foreigner in other countries, because the point was to not promote the performance achievements of black people by the American white dominated systems as a nation.
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it may have been a very trying and hard core process for Chinese to move through the Cultural Revolution... and even the economy was destroyed, but what as gained, was a evident sense of National Pride in being Chinese, and a more uniformly disciplined society. That nature of discipline has been a strong point in how and why the Industrialization of China was with relative ease to have become as vast and dominant as it currently it. The pressures of the Cultural Revolution was a manner of disciplinary training, which brought people to maintain a set of value, which did not get lost in the dominance of materialism.. although the mass media of today is fast pushing for materialism to become more a focused concern, yet, the sense of duty is still within the make up of the society as to constitute a great degree of discipline. With any disciplined society it is more readily able to become a high performance reproduction capital. From the reproduction capabilities, now China is learn more about innovations in a modern era of technological developments. Most who think China should move faster, may not grasp the nature of volume of its population in reality terms, they see the large number, but to truly grasp what is a billion plus people, is a grand stretch to embrace in thought. China has provinces with more people than some whole countries have, and some provinces have 5 times and maybe more people than some whole countries have. see : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_China If people don't grasp what this means, then they are simply not thinking deeply enough. Many countries would collapse under these numbers. Or they'd have to change their form of governance.. to some type of more authoritarian components within their system. They may even find they may have to include some regulatory systems which could closely resemble some level of dictatorial nature if it expects to have and maintain some uniformity and stand of civility. It is a massive expense unto the government of China to manage its system and make provisions for its people... I said this earlier. The holding of a Trillion Dollars in Cash Reserves is not that much when you consider what it cost to provide a system for 1.3 billion people and a very large land mass. China spends 5.1% of GDP on health care for its people. Research and look at what China spends on Infrastructure. Research and look at what China spends on General Public Services, Research and look at what China spends on Military Research and look at what China spends on Education and etc..... These are very very very large numbers. If its GDP % decline beyond the current high levels, things change drastically and the tightening could thrust it backwards with much challenge to overcome. It's struggle to maintain 7% growth rate is a dire level it is with much struggles to avert it from dropping below this rate. It has to figure out how to improve it's internal consumption of what it produces, because other nations are fast struggling to regain their own production of what their own people consume. China knows that it does not have forever to figure this out, as well as it Must address its aging population. These things are the basis of what the original blog "China announces major economic and social reforms" is about. To make these announcements is not so much for the consumption of the rest of the world, but a message to the Chinese people about the change that is being undertaken. It has aims also to help quell the masses, to understand that as a Nation it is trying and planning to make reforms. China is not unaware of the massive expense and the level of change and investment in change that it will take to promote and conduct environmental clean up... but currently, it simply can't afford to slow or stop production to do so...but it does know that has no choice but to phase in these needed changes. How to do it, is a quandry... and to date no one on the planet has figured out how to unilaterally do it across their industrial spectrum. Example, California engaged to do it, and as a result it lost the Aerospace Industry to Nevada and Arizona and other Global players who did not have such strict environmental regulations. But California knew it had to make the change because smog pollution has reached a level that it was causing other mass complication in health and other ways. Japan was forced to make changes, but it also met with high wage structure which resulted as well as by cause of , began to export much of its production, the result is, the quick change nearly devastated the economy of Japan. Currently we simply have not as a global system found the alternative fuel to make these massive transitions. China via many government back investors are purchasing up large segments of lands and major portions of cities in various countries, they are not going to publicize this in direct terms, but it is doing so to have multiple streams of income, even in the event of some nature of trade modification, it will have home bases on other Countries soil.. It is not something that other governments are unaware of, but there are various tradeoff in the spectrum, and one is based on China's population becoming a larger purchasing pool of imported goods. Within the next 20 yrs, travel for Chinese to various high performing Western Countries will change dramatically... provided the higher level of diplomatic ties continue to improve.
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my comment of "Good Post" was not directed at anyone in particular. it is simply a general good post, because it speaks about how people do insult other and then play it off as a joke... That happens in everyday life....
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money makes people choose to accept many things and give it labels to seek its justifications... But still, I like Tupac's style of doing it. I even have some of his songs on my phone to listen to when I'm walking. Much of the I hear in peoples cars simply cause me to roll up my window.. I went to a Hip Hop club a few years back... they are "off the chain".. I saw a number of girls with very very very short skirts on with no underwear, and they had no issue with showing it all, even some of the girls rubbed each other between the legs and they considered that as part of the dance moves... it was actually both absurd and hilarious. I do remember long before began, I knew guys in LA who would set up mikes, and get beat boxes and just start talking, the first time I went to someone house where this was being done, was in the mid 1970's it was with one of the guys I worked with, I did not know he was a gang member, but his friends came and that is what they did... then a years later in the 1980's, it became a marketable music form. I guess I could have gotten in on it as a pioneer, but it just was not my thing. besides... some of those guys ended up killing each other or getting killed during the era of gang war like activity. . But I have never had interest in Gang stuff nor the thought of why anyone would even be in a gang. Today some of these guys in became very wealthy, Music is far from being a black thing, because people of all ethnicity listen to ... and many people who are in many professions today, listen to . it is now in major commercial jingles, and some of these jingles have been adopted by what might be semi Conservative business models. Actually, there was a music form back during and right after BeeBop era, called 'Scating" Louis Armstrong's 1926 recording of Heebie Jeebies is often cited as the first song to employ scatting, Then there was Al Jarreau, who used his voice in creative ways, highly successful during the late 1970's, to Gil Scott Heron (excerpt from internet) One early master of ragtime scat singing was Gene Greene who recorded scat choruses in his song "King of the Bungaloos" and several others between 1911 and 1917. Entertainer Al Jolson even scatted through a few bars in the middle of his 1911 recording of "That Haunting Melody". Gene Green's 1917 "From Here to Shanghai", which featured faux-Chinese scatting.
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Generational poverty is its own beast... there are many whites equally so who have persisted via generational poverty, be it in cities and in the rural areas. It is not just a black thing. The media may focus more on blacks but truth as it exist, there is vast spectrum's of uneducated whites. Poverty is something that requires much to understand and comprehend. Its not just educational, its emotional as well as cultural when economics confine some to sectors where generational poverty dominates. some make it out, and some don't. The education issue as with much that the media promotes, unfortunately gloss over the poorly educated whites and the poor standard, conduct and quality of life they lead. for humor sake, have you ever watched "Jerry Springer" that is only a snap shot of what exist. Other things that hide much of the white lack of education is the general usage of words. there are many white people who have the ability to enunciate words more clearly, but lack a true education in the sense of being educated. This conveys so much mis perception about who is and who is not with education. There are whole segments of this country with dire poor whites, who have generational poverty, surely you know about W. Virginia, Tennessee, Kansas and Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and various other States with large areas of uneducated whites, high drop out rates, along with the current scourge of oxy and crystal meth ravaging these areas and people. But it is not select to these areas, its across this nation. As to crime, each area of poverty has it own distinctions as to the types of crimes which exist within them, and point being fact, crime is crime. much results in death or destruction which become both devastation. in this particular area, there is a very high number of university educated black people, skilled black people and a variety of degree specialties, but as with most people today, who have degree's simply do not work in the field of their degree, they work were they can earn a paycheck. Gloria Steinem made a tremendous statement on CSPAN during a speaking engagement... She was speaking to women... she said, "college has been greatly over sold" to mean it has been exaggerated as to what it means to the working environment and being employed and progressing. She was advising women, to learn trades, take up vocations and indulge to learn technological things. When I was trying to get a business going, I met one white girl who told me that she worked for a electrical company, that would not hire black people, and there are many business who operate under the radar who will not give black people an opportunity. But there is a growing number of black business owners more and more creating business. Even jobs that many black use to have, when white people learned of the money they made, suddenly now, there are so many white men with trucks and trailers full of lawn equipment, they are now fiercely competing for these Lawn cutting jobs, when this is something white people simply would not do 20 yrs ago. I can tell you from surveying some poverty areas, both black and white, when the parents is working two low wage jobs to try and keep a roof over the head, and some slum lord own the apartment, and won't fix it, and the struggle is to feed children, it is very difficult for children to live in squalor and focus on studying when they open the refrigerator and there is nothing there. some couples both black and white struggle very hard, but can't get any assistance if the man is in the house, so some by force of events, the man is no longer in the house which thus affords the woman to get assistance with the house and food. During post slavery this process was in place, the women were given an allotment of $20 a month, along with milk and cheese, flour and beans, but if the man was around she got nothing. In some of these areas the competetion for work was so fierce that some zones were set up to deny blacks to live there or near because they would not hire or provide work for black people "Read" Northern Emancipation"... it has some very frustratingly challenging points and factors within it. so there are many stages set over time which extends today into what is mass poverty... a Great example is, Look at Detroit... not only during the Auto Boom years, were black progressing but they were pursing education as well as many things, but when these jobs were outsourced it thrust them back to 1930's conditions. as a result the city is now Bankrupt, causing both poverty to black and whites. During the boom years on the West Coast in Oakland, it was prospering for Blacks, Whites and Asians, when war production diminished, a new community was built with track homes, but the exclusion was that no person who is non white could get or own those homes, and the remaining business moved to the area where it was white only housing, This left, both the black, Hispanic and Asian in Oakland in dire conditions. Oakland never recovered.... during the late 1960's much aid was targeted to these areas, but was drained off and send to the fringe of the area and left the core with substandard aid, but the people of the core were used as number to justify this aid, but it never reached the people whom it based upon. This has not changed, I have friends in LA who worked in social services, who discovered this to be true in early 2000's in the LA regions... where the aid did not make it in volume to the areas where the numbers to support it were collected. but one has to remember also, there was whole segments who became wealthy by producing and distributing the milk and cheese, and they had lobbyist who were determined to insure that income generating stream did not vanish... so to insure it as a profit vehicle, also meant that poverty had to be by some means a continuance. It's the same today, with EBT/Food Stamps... there are some places that rely on this income for their profit... the same as many of the homes which get Section 8 profits are owned by white landlords, and some have become very wealthy by owning homes they will only rent out to section 8 recipients. they have no incentive to fix up these home because their check comes to them directly via the mail. Some Cities and some states try and crack down on slum lords, but there is so many and the manner that its done by these slum lords make it hard to deal with. But, if you note... even with the improvement in Pell Grants, not only did some of the vocational programs increase their rates, many colleges increased their rates... so it ate up the pell grant and still leaves the student with a heavy burden if they can get access to student loans. Junior College use to be free, but that is no longer an option or benefit, many now carry a cost, minimal as it may be, it is to some still a challenge. What is it, Seattle... it has an almost cult like reputation for white run away and drop out... as does some area of Oregon. they even make movies which depict some of this stuff and try and make it look exciting to the youth... which only advertise and promote it as a place to go to drop out or run away. I think this: "The choice at 18 is enroll in college, vocational program, tech program or go into Civil Service, We have plenty work that needs to be done, from disaster relief, national forest fires, storm damage, removing blight along with many projects that can be set up. If we made this function like a draft for those who don't go directly to college, vocational programs or tech programs. We can stamp out delinquency or callous social wandering. As to challenged areas, we don't have a wage structure which afford people in some jobs and areas to do home repairs, we don't have a system that mandates landlords don't become slum lords. Too many people live off of providing low quality run down homes as rent homes and many of those people live well and could care less about fixing their rent houses. But many Americans will fight like mad against a Civil Service Program being established nation wide. " When America had the draft, we had less adult delinquency... among both blacks and whites. We need to use that principle under the banner of "Civil Service and Public Service" Programming. The daily cost of living is a big factor. if it cost you $40 a day to live. this includes rent, gas, lights, transportation expense, fuel, vehicle insurance, food, basic maintenance items for house and person, and etc... minimum wage will not cover that. Minimum wage is by design, no more than it would cost to house and feed a slave by modern financial terms, or what it would cost to pay an indentured servant by today's modern financial terms. I see a young black man who works at Circle K, he works night shift, goes to school in the day and has another part time job after school... I don't know how he does it, he looks tired all the time, but he continues to do it. likewise so I see various young men and women doing this. Whenever I can and need some work done, I find some of the skilled people who don't have a job, and I've found many who do very good work. Now as to drugs and drink... mankind as a system, has always had some who utilized some substance to escape the drudgery of this cycles. Some make it out and some don't, both black and white. EZ in the Magazine frequently wrote about wealth distribution inequity in America..... and its worsening reality.
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I agree with this: "there is certainly some lacking integrity in the substance of many of the lyric's of many of the items being sold today'.... !!! Maybe that an understatement I have not been inspired to buy music for years, the stuff that I have bought was older things, which long ago I had on LP, which I may have repurchased on CD. I've never bought a download song from Itune or any of those things. I guess its a good way to get music, but ... I can use "Tube Catcher" and find practically anything I want. Check out " Horace Silver ~ "A Song for My Father"... I think you will like it.
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Speak as if they are from the deep south and were born & lived up north. Ya no what Im sayin? is in each sentence. They hold themselves down from progressing. the portrayal or depiction of being "cool" is probably more the fault within the individual for this silliness. unfortunately, I hear so many people using that phrasing now days... because for some reason, too many people want to be "cool" by this portrayal black and white... "people by some means do what they think is "cool"... Not only that, even with writing now, people use web abbreviation, as well as slang in a vast expanse of how they communicate. It does not work in my line of work nor in my general demeanor... I do use some simple phrases at times as quick responses, but not as a general format of speaking.
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Thank you Woaini, what you said is very well and firmly stated. I have said and did say within some of the earlier parts of this post and other post, the very same thing. But no matter how many ways it is said, people want to diminish it and deny these truths. I find it utterly amazing, I've yet to see non black people give respectful acknowledgment of the things you have so eloquently stated. I do think Trusty does understand much of it, as did EZ understand much of it, but some of the people, detest the mere discussion of these things and some will rush to deny it at any chance they get. If you speak about the American Indian and how they were slaughtered, many deny that as well and detest it being discussed. but if you look at nationwide crime, white crime is far higher than black crime, but it is not promoted in publicity the same as black crime. but you can't turn on the TV without a white crime show on, that is based on real life events, where they have done some unthinkable things to other human beings, for money, greed, envy, and every reason one can imagine, and these shows run 24/7... and never run out of material to build the stories upon. Much of American history taught back in the 1900's through the whole of that century, tried to make slavery seem less abusive, in the text book, because it was assumed that whites were entitling themselves to assume they had the right to be of this levels of use and abuse. they did not want anything written or said, that would imply or state that they were inhumanly abusive. They did not want these truth told, some today still don't want them told. Even as Pink ask the questions about the Bus... I wrote earlier in this post, not only were Chinese allowed to sit ahead of blacks, but Chinese were also allowed to go to white schools, I also posted a part which included the statement that some Chinese even joined white groups to help promote segregation against black people. As you said as well, Asian Crime is widespread in Asian communities, but they don't like to involve the police, because they know the Asian gangs will simply come after them another way. I had a Cambodian neighbor who moved to a gated community, because many of his Cambodian friends had been robbed and kidnapped by Asian gangs. Asian drug dealers get away with selling lots of drugs, because the Police assume their parents gave them the money... so they don't get prosecuted as much. AS to school, we may see lots of Asians making good grades, but where are they in Corporate America ? generally they are in a subservient position under someone white, Not so many are at the top level over many white people. But many don't see that because they don't want to see it. Many Asian once they come and feel they are accepted by white society, some can be as prejudiced or even more prejudiced against blacks than even some of the long ago southern Antebellum whites were. There are some Asians that mix well with blacks people, mexican and whites, but they are not so highly embraced by the Asians who cater to white only. A friend from Costa Rica once told me, that some Asian women can pick the worst cultured or even not so highly educated white man and they think just having a white man has made them equal in white peoples eyes. but I've also read long ago on this site, that some girls dated some of the so called upper class white men during college, but when college is over, the mans parents, tell him, Ok... you are through sowing your youthful wild oats and playing around, now go get your a white girl and raise a family. There are still white people who will dis=inherit their son or daughter if they marry someone not of their own ethnicity. I know Chinese understand this very well, because many Chinese will disown their kids if they marry non Chinese, and some would be highly angry along with disowning their son or daughter if they marry someone black. It's amazing that people will get weepy eyes if you speak about the atrocity that happen to the Jews, but the minute you speak about the long multi 100's of years of atrocities done to black people, suddenly their ears shut they become anguished and claim its all the black persons fault. I've not once heard anyone say it is the Jews fault that Hitler killed many of them. Even during the Vietnam War, there were many mixed babies left over their by white men, and many of those babies became outcast in that society, yes, there were too babies left by black men that became outcast as well. but a great many black men brought a lot of those women back with him or went back and got the women later. The same is true in World War II.... but no one discuss any of that. No one has ever discussed the countless millions upon millions of black women who were , and left with kids, and the white slave owner even enslaved his own mixed race kids, and would not acknowledge any of it in public. No one talks about the slave owner selling away black men, because the slave owner wanted his wife, or the times the slave owner came in the middle of the night and took the black mans women out of her bed, or sent the black man out of the house and did want he wanted to the black women, in the black mans own bed. These are things people have not gut to face of truths that were done for 100's of years... and then in turn, the white man would want to and did hang and kill black men even if a white woman looked at him or that he looked at the white woman. But Chinese should understand this very well also, especially in places like HKG.. when the British made himself the image that women, yes Chinese women identified as being what is a man. Today, HKG Chinese will put down Mainland Chinese, simply because Mainland Chinese don't act like they were trained by British ways. Some HKG Chinese despise any Chinese Person from Mainland China, because some of the HKG Chinese think themselves better, because they have been trained to act and adopt British manner and ways. Some Asians with light skin and fine stands hair, don't like some Chinese who have more darker skin and more coarse hair. but people are quick to say, skin does not matter...but if they take look at their inner circle, that would not be true, what would be true is that skin matters more than many would admit. The first things people have to do is become honest with themselves, and this is true in all cultures.. As well as among black people, some are mixed race and some are generational mixed race to be lighter than some, one can turn on the Television and see this vividly... Take the News for instance, when ever they say they have a black person as a news caster, it is usually a very very light skin black person, and when it comes to some of the women, if you did not know they were black, you'd think them to be white or of some other ethnic group... Because America has a very big problem with skin color. What has always been very crazy is, for people to carry on with such a segregated mentality, and then lay in the sun trying to darken their skin... what a paradox. ... another strange paradox is: That old saying of "women want a tall dark and handsome man".... well generally that does not describe the average white male. It's really all just simply crazy..... because if any person, regardless of their ethnicity was on their death bed and needed a blood transfusion, I doubt they will refuse the blood of a black person, if it meant they could continue to live. There are many many white people, who have black people in their history, because many of the children created by slave owners black women, some of those kids grew up and claimed themselves to be white, and did all they could to hide the fact that they had black ancestry... There was an article last week... about a Die Hard KKK man who found out that some of his ancestry was black.... Even among Chinese - over 100's and thousands of years of one tribe conquering another, one of the main things they did was to impregnate the women of the conquered tribe. So, when people assume they are 'Pure" in this , or Pure in that.... they don't know what took place in the long history of people.
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When the Vietnamese cam during the mass uplift during the 80's they were given grants, "0" down payment low 3% home mortgages, business loans, and many did not have to pay taxes for a number of years on any money earned. Many would operate their business for 4.5 years, close it for 6 months and re-open it, sometimes with a different name, and they'd get additional years to earn income without paying taxes. College Scholarship and Grants were set up and made available to them, As well as many of those who took the wealth from Vietnam came first, they were allowed to keep that wealth they took from the Vietnam. During the Cuban influx in the 1960, Cubans were given the same, "0" down payment low interest home loans, grants, and allowed to work 5 yrs with no income tax being required. The Japanese were given repatriation for being interned, as I said previously, and 100 million plus set up to provide their kids school scholarships, and some families received cash grants. There is still to this day, some grant programs which foreigners can get, which is called some type of 'stabilization grant" which is around %50K.. When they work and file social security, they get a high payment than many American, there have been many challenges brought against that by white people who suddenly became aware of that fact. When its Chinese or Korean or Japanese, they have the access to go to banks established by / from their country, and most of their countries can subsidize these institution with government money, so they have means to go and get loans that are not structured with robbery level interest rates. many of these same banks are in no way concerned to give the same loans to black people. So one cannot try and compare the progress of Asian people to that of black people and then look down at black people. Because nothing in America is set up to give black people the avenues of opportunity many other ethnic groups get and have. Chinese can open a food place, and the food does not have to be great, but people will patronize it, because it is 'Chinese"... but when many black people open business, not only are they often times having to struggle to get the money to open it, even if they get a loan, they won't get favorable terms, and they don't get money to fix the building and make it fit some model, they may only get money for inventory and then they have to have a high level of collateral. and certainly they won't get enough money for Marketing and Advertisement. But the SBA ( small Business Administration) will tell you, that if you don't include Marketing and Advertisement budget, you won't get the loan, but if black people include Marketing and Advertisement they are in some cases more likely not to get the loan, and may be required to have even more collateral. There are many many things people don't acknowledge because they don't want to acknowledge it. Pink does ask questions, which is an introduction to learning more. some do not ask questions, but assume with great bias many things about black people. .
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notice, I said " don't like'. (Some Asians with light skin and fine stands hair, don't like some Chinese who have more darker skin and more coarse hair.). I understand the thing about assessing darker skin to mean poor or work outside. still it become a bias...  The thing with black people, they did not have the option to come from another country free of their will... not to bring with them any group traditions, because they were not allowed to develop group identity from a common community. therefore, the "pooling of money" was not only a difficult option to consider, when one was enslaved and everything done to insure they maintain a divide among themselves, then it was of design by the structure of slavery, to build distrust among the slaves toward each other, and in some cases to build contempt among the slaves toward each other. These were things designed to avoid black unity, because there is the principle of "strength in numbers", so to weaken that strength, the premise is to 'divide, thus to conquer". Slavery by its premise was to strip away everything, and then replace reliance on the slave master for everything. this is the process of making slaves. many of the methods used in Slavery were introduced by : Willie Lynch... he was a British slave owner in the West Indies. He was invited to the colony of Virginia in 1712 to teach his methods to slave owners there. (quote) "My method is simple. Any member of your family or your overseer can use it. I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South." "Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action, but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST AND ENVY STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION. The Black slaves after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for HUNDREDS of years, maybe THOUSANDS. Don’t forget, you must pitch the OLD black male vs. the YOUNG black male, and the YOUNG black male against the OLD black male. You must use the DARK skin slaves vs. the LIGHT skin slaves, and the LIGHT skin slaves vs. the DARK skin slaves. You must use the FEMALE vs. the MALE, and the MALE vs. the FEMALE. You must also have white servants and overseers [who] distrust all Blacks. But it is NECESSARY THAT YOUR SLAVES TRUST AND DEPEND ON US. THEY MUST LOVE, RESPECT AND TRUST ONLY US. Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. IF USED INTENSELY FOR ONE YEAR, THE SLAVES THEMSELVES WILL REMAIN PERPETUALLY DISTRUSTFUL. Thank you gentlemen.” ( end quote) Read: The Willie Lynch Letters, on How to Make a Slave. You will find that making comparisons to others who came to America is not the same when it is sought to be done in comparison to black people. Others, who came were not and had not been enslaved. Others who came to America came of their own accord, Others who came to America had connection to a home land, they could return to as well as rely upon for identity as well as many other human reliance's. When people try to compare their history and presence in America unto that of black people's history and presence in America, such an attempt of comparison is often is lacking to consider many many things. This is why it often will anguish blacks when this unfair attempt at comparisons is being made. Read woaini, post again... it is very clear in depicting many things which are ill considered when people seek to make their history comparison in America vs Blacks. It is not the same ... it is trying to compare a Watermelon to a Walnut. That is not said to deny your ancestral challenges in America, it is simply to say, they do not meet a fairness when placed as an attempt of comparison to black people ancestry history in America, nor does it compare in a fair present day comparison...
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This certainly should always be the goal, to move forward and motivate others, but one may do well to understand much of history, Or history would never be something that is taught. Therefore to learn the history that was hidden and not put forth for teaching, is good for people to know. Not only the descendents of those enslaved, but those who are descendents of the slavers. I do not accept the comment, " continue blaming" ... I detest hearing that when the history of slavery and the bigotry it put forth is discussed. It's simply Amazing, how one can turn on CSPN and other shows that talk about, the white view of the Civil War by the Confederates, People can talk about the Jews and the Nazi, and any and every aspect... and no one is running up telling them not to cast any blame. There is cause and effect... understand it and learn from it, does not seek to make an excuse, but to acknowledge how and why some things are as they are. Everything evolved from some point and factors. We have people this very day, who look back in their own childhood and find reason to blame for their current conditions. So don't come across as if people don't look back in the history and see the reasons for how things evolve. Geez !!! This whole blog, has been discussed the very same point and fact of the Chinese, as they look at the history of how they became as they are... They know what they have to address, as well as black people know what they have to address. The same as Chinese have a system they have to deal with, is the very same principle, as to the principle that black people have a system they have to deal with... and both of the respective systems are directly related to the past and that is related to what current exist. To stop their own bias between themselves of light skinned/dark skinned and who is accepted. If you can figure this out as to a solution, then that recipe can be used, in "every ethnic culture" !!!!!! and you may be hailed the greatest and wise and best teacher of a man who walks in the 21st Century... because you will have transformed the world. but to utter those words as if you have a simplicity resolve for black people, but you can't apply it across the ethnic spectrum of people, I find that truly amazing, as well as belittling to think in such a way... when it comes to black people. Because if it was so simple, not only would white people have fixed their biases among themselves, they would not have any biases when it comes to people of other ethnicity, nor would we have in this world as is true in many Asian countries, skin tone biases. you don't even see sun tanned white people hanging out with white people who have avoided the sun.... They create their own situations and circumstance. can be applied to any ethnic group and the biases which exist within them. To move forward instead of backwards. this is equally true of the same of biases in every ethnicity.... Please don't try to minimize and be belittling of things when you want to focus on black people, when you know the principle of the point you discuss is something that spans all ethnic groups on this planet.
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Trust1 ... No hard feeling... simply addressing Perspective for the sake of perspective.
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It would be great if people treat each other as individuals... Sadly, like you say about Italians, it is a tragedy that people in general, among all groups, pass some of this stuff across generations. I deal with people as you said. as an individual... One has to at all time maintain their own dignity, and not lower their integrity to wallow in the mud with anyone... There is certainly conflict within ethnic groups as well as across ethnic groups.... It's truly a sad thing, for the world as a place that claims itself to have the vast spectrum of knowledge we proclaim, to be so unwilling to utilize it in the social spectrum of interactions. They showed a clip of the Pope on the News, he was embracing this man who had all these nodules all over his face and body... as the Pope's action implied, "that we should have more compassion, be willing to pursue understanding and treat people with respect.... and be willing to help each other". Those who are unwilling to appreciatively and graciously accept the compassionate regard... it is best to simply leave them to their own cycle of anguish... eventually they will figure it out or suffer within the lack of their own choice not to be of grace.
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